Moral Maze - Radio 4 8pm 19 Feb - Transgender Rights

[CaveMum]

Transgender Rights is the topic of tonight’s episode.

Woman’s Place have tweeted that they are taking part and that the Labour pledge (and slurs against WPUK and LGB Alliance) will be discussed.

twitter.com/womans_place_uk/status/1229901138192891904?s=21

She has a take.

Graham is doing so well.

Graham did blooming well!

Round of applause....

Portillo is a Mumsnetter

Literally or so to speak? (Hearing loss - I can't do podcasts/radio without transcripts so I won't be able to 'listen again.')

Jane F got so bogged down in nonsense. I was delighted to hear them waste their slot

Glinner's on it. Thank goodness! Talking in a language and exposing the realities and the hypocrisy and drawing the lines that women such as Kiri Tunks are too nervous to draw. Karen White!

'If only women are females...' says the vicar. 'The word women is taken', responds Glinner. Brilliant!

Well done, Glinner. Voice of sanity in an unfocussed and shoddy insight.

Can't believe I'm quietly cheering for Michael Portillo.

Ruddy trans vicar talking about 'family resemblance' being enough to call themselves a woman. How dare they?

Is anyone else on the brink of referring to Portillo as “Michael”.? Scary!

Womaninblue agreed.

Graham really gives an excellent argument!

'intolerant ideology' indeed, Michael, indeed.

Portillo: this is a pretty intolerant ideology.

Portillo, I'm suddenly your biggest fan

“If you can’t define what a woman is, how can you protect women’s rights”

Portillo just called out “an intolerant ideology”. I’m agog!

I think Michael is the only one who knows what he is talking about here.

Portillo: you could not defend women’s rights if we have self ID

Mona: I’m not sure that I think puberty blocking is a good idea”

Well done Glinner!
And well done Michael Portillo!

(also think M Buerk gets it - he'd certainly done his research)

Well that was surprisingly good, I thought.

Kiri Tunks & glinner were both excellent - complimented each other. Kiri for saying "we are a women's group," and really pushing the women's legal rights issue, and glinner for mentioning everything else!

Portillo has massively gone up in my estimation

Portillo: you could not defend women’s rights if we have self ID

Portillo may find this thread useful since the difficulty in defending women's sex based rights (& Safeguarding) stems from much earlier legislation & lobbying by trans-rights activists.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3463920-Lets-go-back-to-2007

What we need now is for their female opposite numbers to feel as free to speak.

Bloody hell.

I'm sorry for any mean thoughts I ever had about Michael portillo FFS
I think I'd cry if I met him now.

Nick Ferrari, Piers Morgan, Julia Hartley Brewer, now Portillo....... some very weird allies in this battle! Good for Portillo though