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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Dawn Butler and biology

291 replies

HDDD · 17/02/2020 18:35

Clip from GBM interview this morning.
twitter.com/JammersMinde/status/1229439480064610308
She said "Babies are born without sex"
Unless she said something after to clarify what she meant by this or backtracked then I guess this is her starting point....
Astounding. Labour have lost the plot, and me.

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Al1Langdownthecleghole · 17/02/2020 22:53

Can we please now introduce a minimum standard of intelligence for anyone wanting to be elected as a politician?

I can cope with politicians I disagree with, but I really have had enough of those too stupid to understand their own utterances.

Bathroom12345 · 17/02/2020 22:53

I don’t think Dawn or Diane would be stupid enough to go on GMB when Piers was hosting, no wait.....

UpfieldHatesWomen · 17/02/2020 22:56

Entrance exams wouldn't be such a bad idea. Question 1: Define 'woman'.

RubyViolet · 17/02/2020 22:59

While we’re at it .. How does Dawn think they decide race at birth? Or .... no.

DameHannahRelf · 17/02/2020 23:00

If scientists discover a cause for the whole pink/blue brain thing, I'll be the first to apologise for my ignorance. Until then though...

Apollo440 · 17/02/2020 23:04

Isn't it worse if she meant gender and not sex? Trans cult insists gender is innate so saying you are born without gender is heresy.

thecatfromjapan · 17/02/2020 23:08

No.

She meant sex.

She's 400 flavours of giraffe.

Whoever's her political adviser is well on board with it all.

And so is Dawn.

tobee · 17/02/2020 23:15

Don't plenty of US states teach creationism? By law? I think some of US science education is all kinds of fucked up

testing987654321 · 17/02/2020 23:18

People often say a word they didn't mean. As a teaching assistant I noticed it a lot, it's easily done and when juggling a number of thoughts.

Butler just came across as dafter than Nandy, quite an achievement.

thecatfromjapan · 17/02/2020 23:21

No, testing. She meant 'sex'.

I actually don't know why people find this hard to believe.

Apollo440 · 17/02/2020 23:30

It's hard to believe because it is batshit!

testing987654321 · 17/02/2020 23:35

Not disagreeing with you cat, was more a general observation.

I am currently somewhere between despair and fury at the Labour Party.

SirVixofVixHall · 17/02/2020 23:36

I believe it because I have seen the same stuff trotted out on twitter. Also because I heard an ardent Labour supporter I know insist that male people had no advantage whatsoever over female people in sports, when they took testosterone reducing meds.
There is a huge amount of fact denial and a lack of basic scientific knowledge.

thecatfromjapan · 17/02/2020 23:37

I'm actually quite enjoying people trying to fit what she said with their existing scheme of understanding by claiming she meant to say 'gender'.

Boy, are they in for a wake-up!

thecatfromjapan · 17/02/2020 23:38

Sympathy to you testing.

It's really tough.

I just feel like crying sometimes.

thecatfromjapan · 17/02/2020 23:45

And we have a Conservative government kite-flying eugenics.

It just brings me to the edge of despair.

Apart from anything else, if you have the wherewithal to invest heavily in this ideology, you are - frankly - in a fairly comfy place.

Yes, I know trans lives are tough.

But developing this ideology requires graduate-level theory and access to media to disseminate it.

It's miles away from the lives of most of the people who need a Labour government.

And the fact Labour Leader-hopefuls and Deputy-Leader hopefuls spend so much time on this, and clearly not counting the pennies at the till in Lidl - well, it alienates people.

And that's before we get onto the issue of what it does to women's rights.

BatShite · 17/02/2020 23:46

"Clearly misspoke''

Nah, doubt it. Its at the core of trans ideology today that people are 'assigned a sex' randomly by nurses/doctors/whoever. Sex is absoltely not a real thing, we just get put into 2 different groups for no reason at all besides someone deciding there needs to be 2 groups. Shes just parroting the usual TRA line. So not surprising at all. Bloody depressing though as its obvious bullshit.

thecatfromjapan · 17/02/2020 23:48

It looks as though Labour is the Party for middle class urban graduates pissed because they can't buy a house in Wimbledon, like their parents.

And it looks that way because ...

Datun · 18/02/2020 00:14

She didn't 'mis-speak'. She absolutely means sex. It's assigned, not observed. And it's often wrongly assigned. Hence trans.

Sex is determined by the way you think, not your biology. Hence male rapists in female prisons.

It's unhinged lunacy.

tobee · 18/02/2020 00:20

So, again, are they saying penises and testicles and vaginas and uteruses and all the other biological differences are just nothing?

thecatfromjapan · 18/02/2020 00:22

Some men have vaginas.

Some women have penises.

It's why trans women are women and trans men are men.

tobee · 18/02/2020 00:36

And the reproduction part? That's just random too? The brain conquers all?

Or maybe, hey! Here's a thought! Maybe the people with vaginas are women. And the people with penises are men!

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 18/02/2020 01:00

There’s an even bigger problem here, as if this nonsense wasn’t a huge problem all on its own.

When people in authority, and scientists, are spouting bullshit, and it’s perfectly clear to the average person in the street that it’s bullshit, science itself is undermined.

Dairy farmers and dog breeders and plant growers and Mrs Kafoops at the corner store, all understand the binary nature of sexual reproduction. The dairy farmer knows that his bull is bigger and stronger and probably more aggressive than his cows, so he’s got a handle on sexual dimorphism. Mrs Kafoops asks her son to carry in the potato sacks because she knows he’s got more upper body strength than she does.

So when these rational people hear stuff like “sex is a spectrum”, on the radio, while watching Angus tupping the Jersey girls, they’ll say, “fucking scientist is a loon”.

If authorities espouse rubbish which is clearly rubbish, why should ordinary people believe any of the rest of it? Why should they trust science on climate change or any other important issue, when science is busy telling them something they know isn’t true?

We’re in the process of turning back the Enlightenment when scientists are either peddling fiction in the service of a cultural agenda or refusing to speak the truth out of fear of the Inquisition.

YourWinter · 18/02/2020 01:18

What a stupid, stupid woman. They walk among us....

TeensArghhhh · 18/02/2020 01:29

Dawn Butler is a proper fruit loop! The Labour party will soon be a forgotten entity. Nobody can blame people for not voting for them. As a political party they have totally lost a grasp on reality