Lisa Nandy says child rapists should be in women’s prisons if they identify as female

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Extraordinary.

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=oUon9j1zJ_E&

I agree Z. I have a bit of faith in the Tories, I hope I'm proven right.

Look at Mumsnet and how they treated Posie Parker and look at all the hordes of Mumsnetters who supported the action because they thought other people would approve of it and look at those same people just itching to report someone who doesn't follow the approved agenda. It's a cancer.

I think the Tories think it's the Zeitgeist, you'd certainly be forgiven for thinking it is when you watch or read most media. We need to change the Zeitgiest and wrest power back from the Far Left/Marxists.

Btw Sammy - the words you are looking for are no longer relevant to the "left" or the "right".

This is the march of neoliberalism and queer theory. Breaking down society's barriers, and social norms, where gender identity overrides biological reality and privileged white males get to call themselves "the most oppressed minority". And people can capitalise on males "buying" womanhood via drugs and surgeries, and gender non-conforming/gay and lesbian children can be exploited and put on lifelong medically-dependant pathways.

This is not good for women - you look at any TRA twitter account, and I guarantee you they all talk about "terfs and swerfs" - swerfs being sex work exclusionary radical feminist. Because in the brave new world of queer theory - males can buy womanhood, sex work is work, and biological women can be bought for sex and porn. It's great isn't it?

God, I sound like a complete nutter.

Then, right before my eyes, men who have raped women are being put into women's prisons because they have decided they are now inf fact women.....and people are cool with that.

Then I realise I'm not a nutter.

This isn't a left/right issue other than where it intersects with the right's commitment to free speech. There are genderists at all points on the left/right spectrum. GRA reform to introduce self ID was first floated by a Tory.

Yeah I went on a bit of a rant too, Sammy. This kind of nonsense can d that to a person.

You're entirely correct, however;

privileged white males

You're using the same language as them.

In terms of the current Tory govt I think they have correctly read the public mood as not supportive of further gender bollocks being introduced and have thus quietly dropped plans for GRA reform. Which is better than what Labour would have done if they'd won the election, but it won't make much difference in the Tories don't challenge the institutional capture that's lead to what's going on with prisons, the girl guides, shelters, etc. Self ID is effectively already in place in many places, so the real big question is whether the Tories will in any way take that on or just let TRAs continue quietly changing things behind the scenes without touching the law as such.

And by the way, NO incarcerated female can be considered to have given consent to sexual intercourse: the fact of the incarceration itself creates the conditions of coercion.

This.

Successful males? Successful males, who have lived their lives as men, for example Caitlyn Jenner who won an Olympic event that wasn't even open to women? And then transition late in life, and claim to be part of a most oppressed minority group.

Just one example.

Caitlyn Jenner

But she's beautiful and brave......sorry.

and claim to be part of a most oppressed minority group

I get your point now.

so the real big question is whether the Tories will in any way take that on or just let TRAs continue quietly changing things behind the scenes without touching the law as such

I think we really need to start protecting freedom of speech, it's our only hope really.

Thanks to Harry Miller, we may just have a chance on the freedom of speech front. Here's hoping.

Self ID if not underwritten by a change in the law is litigation problem waiting to explode in the places where it has been implemented. No legal basis and you make significant changes - well that’s on you. You do not have legal protection if there is any problem later.

If you have been responsible as part of a public authority for making changes which disregard safety and basic risks for people then I would not want to be you if it goes wrong. All of this Self ID stuff was sold on the basis the law was changing.

If it doesn’t then all of these decisions will come back to the people that implemented them. And it will be hard to explain why you did such and such which directly affects the rights and safety of others without good evidence. By definition, trans charities will not be a source of good evidence.

I don't think it's cultural Marxism (I'm not into mad conspiracy theories), although I can see why some people think that, when the loudest genderists in the UK also appear to advocate for some new form of communist utopia. Someone on another thread called it libertarianism, and I'd say it's the most accurate label in terms of the international phenomenon.

A vocally angry public response would be the best way to get those organizations that have been captured by TRAs to change their policies, so yes. As sad as it is to say given their history I also think that nothing much will change as long as Stonewall retains any influence. They need to be thoroughly discredited to the point where they're no longer able to influence policy.

Successful males, who have lived their lives as men, for example Caitlyn Jenner who won an Olympic event that wasn't even open to women? And then transition late in life, and claim to be part of a most oppressed minority group.

And Bunce. Ever so oppressed

The Police turned up at his place of work to discuss his wrongthink. Seriously, if this doesn't scare the shit out of people I don't know what would.

What the fuck is going on?

The petty part of me wants to see the orgs that have introduced self ID to "get ahead of the law" pay a high price in terms of both damage to their brand and financial implications, Lex. If it put M&S out of business I wouldn't cry for them, for example. An organization like the Guides is harder because they do have value, or could still have value if they weren't being undermined from within.

Someone on another thread called it libertarianism, and I'd say it's the most accurate label in terms of the international phenomenon

They'd be incorrect:

an extreme laissez-faire political philosophy advocating only minimal state intervention in the lives of citizens.

Trans individuals like myself have been quietly showing over the last 21 years

I have been reading every post and reading and watching every link provided on this thread (thank you )

Now on page 22. I can't wait to the read the full thing, can sit on my hands no longer.
ROBIN. THIS. ISNT. ABOUT. YOU

I don't think it's cultural Marxism (I'm not into mad conspiracy theories), although I can see why some people think that, when the loudest genderists in the UK also appear to advocate for some new form of communist utopia

This isn't just about Gender and what's happening to it. This is only a part of it. This is a complete subversion of our society, which is why I stick with the cultural marxism theory.

Seriously, if this doesn't scare the shit out of people I don't know what would.

What the fuck is going on?

Stonewall, Stonewall, Stonewall (formerly an LGB rights org)
The police as an institution are overcompensating for appalling past behaviour and taking training from some batshit organisations. PC Gul just applied it in practice.

The petty part of me wants to see the orgs that have introduced self ID to "get ahead of the law" pay a high price in terms of both damage to their brand and financial implications, Lex. If it put M&S out of business I wouldn't cry for them, for example. An organization like the Guides is harder because they do have value, or could still have value if they weren't being undermined from within.

Yes, it's hard not to.

To any newcomers happening on this thread: google Karen White.