#ExpelMe trending.

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Twitter has taken the baton. Seems people are not happy with being told what to think.

Oh yes, I'm sure I'm easy to get rid of, with my tiny number of followers. There would be a huge fuss if Jane Clare Jones or someone like that got the boot.

Thu 18-Oct-18 OP (I) wrote, 'Stephen Whittle influential TRA asserts 'We know we have Labour behind this one, so will simply do our best to get them elected' & Corbyn seems to confirm this at Pink News'

(extract)
"Yesterday on a thread condemning Stephen Whittle's use of predicted suicide, he joined and commented confidently:

In the end we will pull ourselves together and continue the campaigning – as we have always done. We know we have Labour behind this one, so will simply do our best to get them elected. As I tell the community “we have always lost more battles than we have won, but we only ever need to win the big one”.

I hope that clarifies matters.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3397010-Guardian-article-on-MPs-concern-with-GRA?msgid=81891984#81891984

Last night at Pink News party, Jeremy Corbyn apparently confirmed Whittle's belief:
'PinkNews Awards 2018: Jeremy Corbyn vows support for transgender reforms' (continues)

[[www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3398127-Stephen-Whittle-influential-TRA-asserts-We-know-we-have-Labour-behind-this-one-so-will-simply-do-our-best-to-get-them-elected-Corbyn-seems-to-confirm-this-at-Pink-News]]

apologies for scrambled thread link:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3398127-Stephen-Whittle-influential-TRA-asserts-We-know-we-have-Labour-behind-this-one-so-will-simply-do-our-best-to-get-them-elected-Corbyn-seems-to-confirm-this-at-Pink-News

It was largely with Stephen's words in mind that I voted tactically to block a labour candidate in my constituency.

Bananabix is right. If Twitter suddenly want identifying information about you, do not give it to them. Read the link I posted earlier about the person who helped shape a lot of their policies and culture around gender stuff. This is not a company who women critical of TRA overreach should trust with their personal information. Get a burner phone, find another way, but do not give them what they want, because the possibility that they want that information for non-benign reasons most definitely exists.

The entire social media infrastructure was designed by and is maintained by male people who are in many cases deeply hostile to feminism. Among those people are a disproportionately high number of activist transwomen TRAs. That is why this issue is so hard to discuss online and that is why you would be well advised to be careful which sites or forums you give access to any identifying information about you.

Obviously I'm not saying stop talking about this issue - quite the opposite in fact. But I am saying that anyone getting involved in this debate should be fully aware of the specific ways in which the deck is stacked against women seeking to protect our rights. There are people who would seek to do you harm for what they perceive as the crime of not believing in their idea of how "gender" works. Don't make it easy for them.

Get a burner phone,

Don't x-post identifying photographs (dogs, cats, whatever) or items across identities in social media platforms.

Kittens, I wanted to say exactly what you have put, then I thought I will be scaring people and probably told I'm unnecessarily alarmist. So I'm glad you put it up.

Get a burner phone

They told me once to give them my phone number to unlock my account, but when I sent them a mail saying I didn't want to (after the Yahoo breach it was even less appealing), and in a couple days it was unlocked...

I'm absolutely sure R L-B has done this in order to punch a hole in KS' Leadership bid.

@thecatfromjapan Do you think it back-fired then? Because having a massive purge of Labour members on twitter will definitely solidify her reputation as the continuity Corbyn candidate, but I can’t see it wooing any Starmer supporters who generally see him as the less batshit option. The hardcore activists weren’t going to vote for him anyway, and there are some who might have voted for her that might not take too kindly to the threat of expulsion.

Or do you think that forcing him to take a stance on trans issues which will necessarily be favourable, will, they are hoping, piss enough people off who would have voted for him into not voting at all?

@noblegiraffe

I think they are forcing him into an either/or position on a policy/belief line that is lose-lose for him.

He and R L-B are the front-runners. So far, R L-B hasn't been able to find a policy line that clearly demarcated them: a line over which he cannot jump.

This is it.

He knows this is a massive no-no for the voters. But he also knows Many Labour activists are pro-trans rights as a matter of faith.

It's pretty much a boundary-defining belief, one that is a core identity thing.

So ... he's currently paying lip-service to agreeing - but not signing.

And I'm guessing he's hoping media will pull that pledge apart before he is pushed to sign by member expectation.

Not sure it'll work as a strategy.

We'll see.

Interestingly, though, quite neutral commentators are pointing out how crazy that pledge is.

It's the one silver lining: more light on this exposes how extreme it all is and gets it out to people who were previously oblivious.

Labour leadership contenders would do well to read the full judge's findings from Harry Miller case:

www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/miller-v-college-of-police-judgment.pdf
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3822585-14-02-20-Live-updates-on-Harry-and-Kate-s-cases-HERE

current relevent thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3822853-Insiders-story-of-how-trans-activists-in-the-Labour-Party-were-seeking-to-undermine-womens-rights

Yes, they would be well advised to do that and to take to heart Justice Knowles' implicit warnings about the sort of society that tolerates restrictions on free speech (and expulsions without due process).

In this country we have never had a Cheka, a Gestapo or a Stasi. We have never lived in an Orwellian society.

Some info about Labour Trans. They are extremists.

"Founding member of @Labour_Trans has this to say. Honesty at last about what their campaign is really about t.co/9Yu48Fg6Vv "

twitter.com/lazyjoolz/status/1228786027269181446?s=19

"Not Charlie who in 2018 was an out and proud member of the group run by amongst others Lily Madigan? The group that had spreadsheets listing as much info they could gather re female labour members with a view of getting them expelled? Not THAT Charlie Caine?"

twitter.com/JammersMinde/status/1228829652103450626?s=19

Labour are making absolute fools of themselves in kowtowing to these fringe groups.

I think they are forcing him into an either/or position on a policy/belief line that is lose-lose for him.

That sounds like a good strategy, but signing up to a bonkers and legally dodgy pledge has backfired in that Starmer was able to sign a less batshit version of the pledge so has still expressed his support for trans rights while looking like the better lawyer.

Well, people like you and me find that appealing, NobleGiraffe ...

But who are we? Just two silly people who don't understand that 'competence' and 'being a good lawyer' are actually a sign that they are Red Tories and completely unfit to lead the People's Party ...

I hope that Keir is just staying quiet till he gets past the hurdle that is Momentum

but everything I hear in real life is that TWAW is the fastest way to alienate every parent of a daughter in the country

I think, cat the message from certain parts of Labour isn’t that it’s more important to be right than electable, but that it’s more important to be woke, than electable.