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Twitter has taken the baton. Seems people are not happy with being told what to think.

Damnit, I just read the whole thing. Those are the relevant quotes out of 36 pages! There was much more about tax, and a general disconnect from the working classes.

There is a widespread belief that people will go back to Labour after Brexit isn't an issue anymore.

I think it's hard to over estimate how cynical this is from the R L-B team.
I think the word is inept, rather than cynical.
Given that Thornbery, Starmer and Butler have stated that TWAW, or rather, in the case of Starmer, fudged the issue, if I were Nandy I'd see it as a perfect chance to present as GC, and get the leadership

I found this poem which feels rather appropriate for all that we are going through :

When you can say the words that are not listened to
But keep on saying them because you know they’re true;
When you can trust each other when all men doubt you
And from support of other women make old words new;
When you can wait, and know you’ll keep on waiting
That you’ll be lied to, but not sink to telling lies;
When you know you may hate, but not be consumed by hating
And know that beauty doesn’t contradict the wise;

When you can dream – and know you have no master;
When you can think – let those thoughts drive your aim;
When you receive desire and abuse from some Bastard
And treat both manipulations just the same;
When you hear every trembling word you’ve spoken
Retold as lies, from a dishonest heart;
When you have had your life, your body, broken
But stop, breathe, and rebuild yourself right from the start;

When you can move on but not forget your beginnings
And do what’s right no matter what the cost;
Lose all you’ve worked for, forget the aim of winning
And learn to find the victory in your loss;
When you can see every woman struggle – to
create a legacy, for after they are gone
And work with them, when nothing else connects you
Except the fight in you which says: ‘Hold on!’

When you can feel the weight of life within you
But know that you alone are just enough;
When you know not to judge on some myth of virtue
To be discerning, but not too tough;
When you know that you have to fight for every daughter
Even though you are all equal to any son;
When you know this, but still fill your days with laughter
You’ll have the earth, because you are a woman!

Alice Kinsella

Judging by the leadership candidates tweets, and the remarks of the likes of Owen Jones etc - No, labour do not get it

This is really depressing.
I don't want to find the Tweets on Twitter myself, but if they haven't at least recognised that there is a conflict of rights, and they may have had an error if judgement, there's no hope for the Labour Party whatsoever.

I can't believe, when confronted by over 20k under #ExpelMe compared to (can't remember, maybe 3K) FAR less likes to their own Trans-Lobby Tweet, that they haven't learned. It's utterly hopeless.

just seen that Nandy has tweeted on this. Bang goes that theory

I'm beginning to wonder if I will see another Labour government in my lifetime.

I'm absolutely sure R L-B has done this in order to punch a hole in KS' Leadership bid

Hmm.... I would say I'm sure that's going to have the opposite effect, but seeing as a LOT of the membership are in Momentum, and a lot, maybe even a majority actually ARE in favour of the TRA agenda, she could be successful, but only with the membership.
When it comes to voters she'd finish Labour once and for all.

I actually hope women members saying they'll leave before they're expelled, stay in Labour, please stay! Vote out this madness!

Mama: 'if I were Nandy I'd see it as a perfect chance to present as GC, and get the leadership'

I'm afraid you're misjudging the group voting for Leader, ie. the Labour membership.

A significant group within the Labour membership have political opinions very much at variance with the wider electorate and - crucially - are not prepared to compromise on those beliefs for the sake of electability.

Again, it's hard to overstate the importance of this.

Some 51% of pro-Corbyn members believe that principles are more important than power.

That isn't some empty statement about 'caring more'.

It's about what they believe the Labour Party is for.

Is it a Party that seeks to be elected to government? Is it a pressure group that aims to establish principles at variance with the beliefs of the electorate?

51% of pro-Corbyn members believe the latter.

Which isn't really great if you think that the Labour Party is, actually, an organisation aimed at Parliamentary representation and government.

So, the Leadership contest is within Labour members.

At present, the candidates have to woo the membership - a significant portion of whom are not GC, and have no interest whatsoever in compromise with the wider electorate.

They are also massively at variance with the wider electorate - it's a significant factor in the GE defeat.

We have a candidate (KS) who is actually desirous of Labour achieving government, and therefore cognisant of the need to speak to the electorate, not just the membership.

But in order to get to that position, he has to go through the membership.

We then have candidates who don't give a stuff about government and the electorate, and are therefore free to say what they like to the members.

Sadly, I think being GC - or even accommodating towards GC views - is probably enough to screw your chances with enough of the membership to destroy your chances of winning Leadership.

It's what R L-B is banking on, anyway.

And it's probably why Nandy has signed up to this.

Tl:dr A lot of the membership are at variance with the voters in their beliefs, and they don't give a fuck about that.

I'm no longer a member so this is a case of do as I say, not as I do, but I hope they stay too.
Make them hold their witch trials, preferably in public. Then appeal. Tie them up in knots for years with the paperwork.

A previous Labour Party manifesto was once described as the “longest suicide note in history”.
Saying “TWAW” may perhaps be the shortest?!

thecatfromjapan - those are very important points. The labour party members do not want power.

yes, I agree cat. well put

Oh No MaMa Nandy isn't defending the madness ??
I can't bring myself to look. I can't.

^A previous Labour Party manifesto was once described as the “longest suicide note in history”.
Saying “TWAW” may perhaps be the shortest?!^

Gold for this comment!

For what it's worth, I think Nandy has misjudged her core vote and her USP (as the 'pragmatic' candidate).

I'll be interested to see if I'm right on this.

Oh No MaMa Nandy isn't defending the madness ??

There was a bit of a limp exhortation to all women to get along, but yes basically.

twitter.com/lisanandy/status/1227362922571104258?s=21

As if desperate to prove the point that it hasn’t understood the lessons of the election, and its priorities remain completely at odds with those of millions of working-class voters, Labour is about to embark on a civil war over trans rights. Paul Embery

I suspect Paul and the entire Blue Labour movement will be the first to be expelled. He’s been very vocal on the issue.

Trying to think what this reminds me of........Mcarthyism.

Can't link, but has anyone posted a link to the BBC article this morning on #expelme.

Starmer is the candidate most likely to win a general election. But he would bring in self-ID, no doubt. Perhaps it’s best that RLB, who is electoral poison of a toxicity that makes Corbyn look palatable, wins the leadership and the party burns itself out on its own wokeness. Only at that point might it just dawn on them that identity politics and telling people what they must think do not go down well with voters. As Elizabeth Warren discovered last night.

This one biology?
“Labour leadership: Long-Bailey backs call to expel 'transphobic' members”
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51465800

Labour leadership - Don't mind us, we don't need any help organizing the circular firing squad, and the show trials are already in the works.

It's downright embarrassing at this point.

Yes thanks gibbons

That’s a decent BBC piece. Not by Ben Hunte and therefore includes actual reporting