Lang Cleg 2

[TiredofthisBSbutIstandwithLang]

New thread as we got to 1000.

Please reinstate LangCleg

Thank you.

So glad you're back R0. Silver linings. Lang might still return.

Has anyone had their permanent ban overturned on MN?

Orchid didn't.

Oh, so the cunning lesson from the twitter troll bloke was that liars gonna lie and we should never take what they say at face value?
I think we already knew that, TBF.

But, just to check, tell us your sex again, twitter troll, and let's see how well we do

Just found thread 2. Popping on to say I still think this is a shitty decision, @MNHQ.

Bring back Lang.

This.

Parenting website bans child safeguarding expert to appease men who want safeguarding measures relaxed for their own ends.
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Say what you see.*

Someone said Orwellian on the previous thread and I agree, this is censorship, and I am amazed that a parenting website such as Mumsnet is pandering to the few vocal men who have an issue with women (adult human females) speaking their mind in a balanced, fair and knowledgeable way.

I am a mere lurker and reader of the FWR board, but I always enjoyed reading LangCleg's eloquent, well thought out and reasoned posts and feel I learnt a lot from them. She will be missed. She certainly was considerably more articulate than the tweets I have seen shared from those who seem to have targeted her for her views.

It seems as though MNHQ are going down the route of hiding behind 'we do not discuss individual cases' when they have done exactly this before, when did the rules change? There is no way to check which posts breached the rules so how are we to know what is against the rules? I do not remember seeing any suspensions or temporary bans of this poster prior to the permanent ban. There is a distinct lack of clarity or reliable application of the rules by MNHQ, why is this? Why is this particular subject a 'no go' area for discussion when it is so very important to women and children?

Today is not a good day.

Just saw this, the ban of Lang is absolutely ridiculous.

Pleased to see some lurkers posting.

I have a problem with inadequate safeguarding of children and the shutting down of respectful debate. The PP who cut and pasted her explanation of sacred castes and the effect on safeguarding - thank you.

Summer, this is such an important point. Elsewhere on the internet I see lots of disbelief that Mumsnet, of all places, is where you see the biggest pushback against transactivist demands.
When you centre child safeguarding (and the safety, dignity and privacy of women) though, it makes perfect sense. As Lisa Muggeridge says (paraphrasing) mothers are the last line of defence for children.

Tue 18-Jun-19 LangCleg responded to @JustineMumsnet,

"We don’t actually get a significant amount of reports from offsite (under 0.1% over the last 3 months) and the huge majority of concerns are directly reported posts from Mumsnet members."

Lang asked:
But how many reports do you get from members who post rarely?

But how many reports do you get from members who aren't actively contributing to threads (ie are monitoring them)?

Do you have accounts that have been created mostly for reporting purposes?"

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/a3615349-Update-on-our-moderation-of-trans-rights-issues#87903106

It would be a very worthwhile exercise for Mumsnet to look at the posting history of those accounts who have been target reporting LangCleg alongside hers. Mumsnet would find the results telling.

Great to see you back RO.
Discussion about Saville especially in relation to safeguarding always needs to reiterate an important point. That is the only people that questioned his presence were nurses. The older women with enough life experience to see him for what he was.

That's why we are dangerous, we talk amongst ourselves, and younger women seek advice from us. Always was, always will be. Team Hydra.

I'm calling bedtime too. Night.

are we confident R0 and Lang are not the same person? Have we ever seen them sharing a bowl of Weetabix together?

It wouldnt happen
I really dont like hot Weetabix & hate mushed bananas.

I've lost count of the number of times that I saw LangCleg deal patiently with goady posts without rising to the bait.

It was clear she was a target.

How many Lang names are we up to?

And even more importantly, how many lurkers have added their voices?

Best of all, lurkers who chose a LangCleg name, I salute you

I’m also really happy to see you back R0

Checking in again.
@MNHQ
Please reinstate Langcleg
Please listen to what hundreds of women are telling you about this targeted campaign against posters here on FWR.

The older women with enough life experience to see him for what he was.

The first people to worry about Harold Shipman’s activities were women too, a GP in a neighbouring practice and a funeral director.

"Goady posts".... it'd be a good point if half the time it wasn't thrown at posters who dared to disagree with anything too.

So glad you're back R0. Silver linings. Lang might still return

Thank you, it was always my intention.
I stepped away to deal with life stuff though. I wasn't banned by MN despite being closely monitored & target reported by some.

Coming to this late, but I’m appalled.

I've lost count of the number of times that I saw LangCleg deal patiently with goady posts without rising to the bait.

It was clear she was a target.

Yes she was
One of many erudite women committed to Safeguarding children & protecting Women's Rights who posted on FWR.

NotTheLangCleg - How many Lang names are we up to?

I counted 11 on autocorrect but that doesn’t include the Weetabix variations that are trending at the moment. I can’t keep track of those!

Just realised that autocorrect missed a few, so....more than 11

I just find it so pathetic the amount of time they spend targeting mumsnet and certain posters.
It won't stop things being discussed.

My shreddies in ice cold milk identify as hot weetabix with banana

Nearly 1100 posts under 24 hrs and we are definitely not anywhere near "trending".

Insightful comments about older women calling out predators. Maggie Oliver & Rotherham comes immediately to mind.

First ever post on mumsnet.

I've lurked on FWR for a couple of years, listening and learning and being challenged intellectually and emotionally by the discussions here.

As a lurker, I would like to thank all of the women who devote so much time and energy into providing thoughtful, well-argued, evidenced content across this board - all within the context of the extra mental load of trying to keep their language 'compliant'. It is like contending with the Stroop test writing every post.

I only registered as a user earlier this month because I wanted to send NotBadConsidering a copy of her excellent post on the dangers of surgery for trans young people and adults. A lengthy post which, it transpired, was deleted because of the use of one word - 'guise'.

Words matter. We need to be able to speak the truth.

And sometimes the truth is uncomfortable.

Imagine what different outcomes there might have been in Rotherham and Manchester if the uncomfortable truth was spoken earlier.

LangCleg is a really incisive, authoritative voice promoting safeguarding and recognising coercive control.

She has consistently called for the moderators to do the Freedom programme in order that they have an awareness of any element of coercive control in the reporting they encounter, so that they are not used as a proxy for abuse.

Suppose that too is an uncomfortable truth?

I hope LangCleg will appeal, I hope she will be reinstated as she is such a fantastic asset to the discussion here and I hope that mumsnet moderators will be supported by training from the Freedom Programme.