Julie Bindel bullying Posie

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FFS! Why did a she have to do this? It’s so divisive and gratuitously mean!
twitter.com/bindelj/status/1217986645871546368?s=20

I'm team Julie. Posie does way more harm than good and only attracts far right extremist types.

I’ve been left-wing all my life and I love Posie. Watching her V Adrian Harrop is my happy place. I’m quite shocked by Julie’s petulance and immaturity.

Snowblight likes to pop up on every thread to provide helpful instruction on how women ought to think and interpret reality.

Input appreciated. I watched the intervention and saw an elected official being reasonably and non-violently held to account over actions taken in role. Your mileage may vary.

That trip was the biggest own-goal ever. No decent person would have looked at the video of them abusing Sarah McBride and felt anything other than revulsion for them.

People will watch the video and form their own opinion. I recall no abuse. McBride is paid to lobby for the removal of sex-based rights. Pointing this out is not abuse. Interrupting a meeting is impolite and PP's use of sexed rather than gendered pronouns will put backs up. But neither of those things are abusive.

McBride is not an elected official, but is the national press secretary for Human Rights Campaign and as such very influential in Democratic politics.

Perhaps being ‘team-either of them’ isn’t helpful - and my first instinct was to jump in defence of team Posie, so this is as much a self criticism as one of any pp (or PP).

A good person, which I think JB is, launched a vicious personal attack on someone for no good reason when she wasn’t in a position to respond. It’s a bad act, and she should apologise to Posie for publicly libelling her, but it doesn’t make her a bad actor. No one needs cancelling.

Thanks Grinitch. My bad. I’d read that somewhere but google shows you’re right. I don’t think it undermines the point, though - it’s certainly a high-profile, public-facing role.

I'm on Julie's side. Posie & her sidekick are the bullies.

I'm team women.

I think too many women excuse Posie Parker's behaviour as they agree with her on a single issue. If you look deeper into what she's actually done it's very murky.

She was banned from Women’s Place UK for being racist and Islamophobic

Link: womansplaceuk.org/changes-to-cornwall-meeting/

She’s aligned herself with white supremacy, Men's Rights Activism and hatred of women by appearing in that video with Jean Francois Gariepy.

She’s paired with organisations that are anti abortion, far right Christian fundamentalist and pro Trump. See blog from Jean Hatchet:

jeanhatchet.blogspot.com/2019/01/why-i-wont-be-standing-for-women.html?m=1

She admitted on her own website she’d been accused of supporting eugenics and forced sterilisation as she tweeted:

’Women who think they're men should be sterilised’

It's not really surprising that Julie Bindel (and most feminists) are not her biggest fans. She's really not helping women at all given the above.

Yep, Tirisfal, the idea that anyone has to take sides is quite illustrative. It's a conversation, it's not a tug of war, it's not a battle. Lots of valid voices to be heard.

Both of these women are people I've often disagreed with, sometimes very strongly although not publicly because I'm not that brave. I'm glad for both of their voices, even when they aren't a consensus. And I'm grateful for all the work they've done, all the flak they've taken and continue to take.

I agree about being team neither but those tweets were toxic and totally undeserved by Posie. I admire all those women who put their heads above the parapet but for me, Posie and Caro are the ones I admire the most.
I don't agree with a lot of what they say and sometimes I cringe if I'm honest, but I think both Posie and Caro are awesome women who don't deserve the opprobrium often heaped on them, sometimes sadly by those who should be fighting shoulder to shoulder with them.

She also seemed to tweet about Muslims a lot and couldn't see why people had issues with Tommy Robinson.

Did anyone watch the video?
I can't bear posie as a person (had direct dealings with her) but she's often absolutely on the money. I watched the first half of the video and she was spot on but the way she said 'mona el whatever her name is' was cringe inducing and this was swiftly followed by some incorrect grandstanding about how nobody cares about white victims of Asian grooming gangs because they are white girls. I had to switch off.
Let's not forget that Julie B was one of the first journalists to uncover the CSE scandal in the north east.

Posie is absolutely a casual middle class racist. No doubt about it.

I admire both of them, but Julie comes across as a bit of a bossy Head Girl. This nonsense just gives ammo to the TRAs.

She's really not helping women at all given the above

Sapphos

You repeatedly use the guilt by association logical fallacy to attack PP. You want to lecture the denizens of this board about why good feminists need to sing the hymns from your approved song sheet? Nope. Not going to happen. You know why PP attracts so much finger wagging hostility? She has successfully highlighted the ongoing Orwellian attack against freedom of speech. Those who want to control what women say are enraged by her refusal to sit down and shut up. Tough luck.

Julie comes across as a bit of a bossy Head Girl.

Yes, pretty much.

LangCleg

That quillette article was really interesting. The description of the post-left struck me particularly though, I can't decide if I think it's wrong or not. It seemed almost the farthest from leftism of the three descriptions.

Julie is getting some "interesting" support.

Perhaps a good lesson in not judging people by their allies. I suspect Julie and Snowblight dont have large areas of common ground.

Go Team Women, go!

Bovary it's not guilt by association. Posie isn't some passive bystander, she is actively participating in the vile behaviour.

Sapphos

It is guilt by association. Look it up. Your post defines it.

The tommy Robinson thing was along the lines of "having seen attacks against myself that were twisted and way out of proportion, I wonder how much truth there is to what people say about TR". Not "omg, I ❤️ TR, he is an awesome human being". Ffs.

I'm sure bunbury has something to say about women who spend half of their time online correcting rumours about cancelled women, but I'm gonna do it anyway 🙄 For the lurkers.

Julie is well known for being a bit of a stroppy mare at times. I think she's amazing btw, that's not an insult. She owns her stroppiness.

I don't think she's right here though.

Sappho,

I have been told very, very different by numerous people, r.e. Jean's blog post (which, oddly enough, was posted the moment Posie and friends got on a plane). I see no reason to give it significant weight. But independently of that, JB's tweets were straightforward bullying from someone with a large platform and have the potential to cause reputational damage. Disagreement is fine. Calling someone a "thick feck" who no-one can stand is absolutely not. Keep those kinds of comments for your private conversations. Or better yet, try not saying them at all.

The central issue is freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is facing an existential threat from lobbyists who want to criminalise dissent and silence debate. They use control words to do this. The Harry Miller case is an example of how powerful this lobby has become. The totalitarian advance in the 21st century West is a sinister trend