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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Julie Bindel bullying Posie

409 replies

LiterallyProblematic · 17/01/2020 08:16

FFS! Why did a she have to do this? It’s so divisive and gratuitously mean!
twitter.com/bindelj/status/1217986645871546368?s=20

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Ofthread · 17/01/2020 09:00

Yeah, I know Julie Bindel, she's the one who's a massive bigot. It's the other one I don't know. Thanks for info. x

LangCleg · 17/01/2020 09:00

Hello Ofthread! I like your name! Very good!

Umyeahnah · 17/01/2020 09:01

420 thousand views, just saying.

BeyondFlubeInclusionaryRF · 17/01/2020 09:03

The heritage foundation decision was divisive, but Posie was not the only woman involved there.

The "racism" goes back to some comments on twitter about very young female children in hijabs. What used to be considered a feminist issue, back when feminism was about women's lib.

The "lesbophobic" goes back to some comments in a conversation on twitter about "transmen" having babies. A child protection issue from someone who says her primary focus is children's safety.

HorseWithNoTimeForThis · 17/01/2020 09:04

This is the right-wing feminism board.

Thank you for defining us.

We will get back to you as soon as somebody is available.

LangCleg · 17/01/2020 09:05

And.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

LEARN HER NAME

Julie: get a grip. Otherwise, we end up with all this shite.

Posie: I think the Revelations and Obeisances theme in Mona's current twattering is best ignored, if I'm honest. Otherwise we end up with all this shite.

Eyes on the prize wims; eyes on the prize.

OhHolyJesus · 17/01/2020 09:05

Someone calling Posie "gay-hating". Bet Julia Long, Julia Beck and a fair few other lesbians might have a view on that.

I love PP, I don't agree with her on everything because I have a mind of my own and when she gives names or quotes something on her videos it's often pre-fixes with "sorry if I'm pronouncing this wrong" or "I don't want to misrepresent" or similar. She encourages people to look up the correct info and make up our own minds.

Spelling a name wrong or mis-pronouncing a name is just a mistake and Bindel completely misses the point of the video.

Bindel is amazing, they both do very important work.

Umyeahnah · 17/01/2020 09:07

Posie is clear, and harsh and definitive and I adore her even though I am not quite as radical, nor agree with her 100 percent.
Go Posie. I luv ya guts xxx

RoyalCorgi · 17/01/2020 09:11

Mona E has drunk the Kool-aid, hasn't she? I'd been meaning to read her book for some time, and now I won't bother. One more thing crossed off the to-do list...

My feminist views are probably nearer Julie's than Posie's. But I still think that kind of public attack is unedifying. What good can it possibly do?

AnyFucker · 17/01/2020 09:14

Cringe

StrangeLookingParasite · 17/01/2020 09:16

"elthany" - right you are, Julie Blindel.

LiterallyProblematic · 17/01/2020 09:16

Posie is a bloody legend. She’s an activist not an academic, but she’s a very bright woman and her work on this issue has been incredible. She’s brave and honest and I dread to think where we’d be without her!

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LiterallyProblematic · 17/01/2020 09:20

Also, I think Julie’s timing is cynical. The last time Posie et al went to the US the same happened. It didn’t stop her then, and I doubt it will stop her now.

Hopefully she can just ignore this rather than escalating as she did last time.

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Needmoresleep · 17/01/2020 09:22

FFS...this is a women's issue.

Women come in all sorts of shapes and sizes, colours and creeds.

I may have nothing in common with another women, dislike her views on a number of things, dislike the woman herself, but she has a right to a voice. And I have a right to disagree with her.

It has been interesting that the two women who have effectively been lightening rods for abuse and worse, have been Posie and Caro. Strong strong women, with strong views.

Though this forum is normally polite it is clear that there is a natural divide between those who have feminist roots, who talk a language of intersectionality and patriarchy, and others who have arrived here via forums on breastfeeding or secondary education, and who, whether Labour or Tory, are new to political activism. This is an issue that affects all women.

One real joy of this forum has been the way women have come together. It's been a chance to come out of our bubbles, to talk to people with very different backgrounds about those difficult topics of race, religion, sex and politics (the Douglas Murray thread was great) and be remind ourselves that you don't need to agree to respect.
That your own views should and can be challenged, and can evolve.

Caroline Farrow continues to amaze me. How does she do it? We should be grateful for the way she has exposed how beastly people can be, and how low they can stoop. Some men really seem to hate women. Ditto with Posie. Her energy, her creativity went a long way to opening up the debate. Who knew that Adult Human Female would prove so controversial. I have met her twice, the second time approaching her specifically to buy her a drink. I am a fangirl. Which is very different to being sure I will agree with her on much, or even enjoy being a friend.

It is inevitable that strong characters will clash. Look at the people at the top of any political party. Julie Bindel is also fab, articulate and caring. She has made her own compromises. Writing for the Mail in order to get your voice heard would have pleased everyone, but I think it is right. I want women's voices heard. Being out there means being exposed.

Long ago I asked a senior friend how she managed to work to a very difficult director. She said that before she entered his office she would remind herself of the things she admired about him. Perhaps this is true of both Posie and Julie. There is lots, really lots, to admire about both. And, as with anyone who puts their head above the parapet, things that can be criticised.

Women want an end to the Stonewall pushed, unexamined, queer ideology. We worry that the main losers are women and children. Our drivers may be social conservatism, opposition to the patriarchy, religion, culture, whatever. Let's focus on the problem, and use our amazing diversity of backgrounds and networks to protect ourselves and those who are more vulnerable. Let's appreciate those who have gone above and beyond. Including both Posie and Julie.

Ereshkigal · 17/01/2020 09:25

She’s an activist not an academic, but she’s a very bright woman

She is. She's not "thick". I don't think sneering at people publicly for their intellect as you think you're cleverer than them ever reflects particularly well on any high profile figure.

Umyeahnah · 17/01/2020 09:26

Literally I think you've hit the nail on the head.
Julie et el are being so partisan, as others have said, it's cringy.

LangCleg · 17/01/2020 09:28

Posie is definitely not thick! Lazy insult.

ThinEndoftheWedge · 17/01/2020 09:29

Ofthread - This is the right-wing feminism board.

Nope. Left leaning. Don’t want my daughters to have less rights than me.

I don’t want it enshrined in law that some bloke from up the road is legally entitled to undressed in front of my daughters and everyone else’s daughters just by signing a form.

Sex based definitions and rights were acceptable up until 5 minutes ago. Why not now? It’s men pushing this agenda...

BovaryX · 17/01/2020 09:29

Hey needmoresleep great post! I agree that it's possible to admire someone for their courage or analysis or passion without agreeing with every utterance. Insisting that total lockstep on every issue is required is a blueprint for extinguishing alliances. And it's crystal clear which powerful lobby group wants to isolate and silence any dissent..

TheMarzipanDildo · 17/01/2020 09:32

Well I’m very left wing and frequent the feminist board 🤷‍♀️

LangCleg · 17/01/2020 09:33

Perhaps we could divert to a more productive angle than who said what about whom.

With regard to this endless right wing accusation by political illiterates for an easy insult. I'd see Posie's politics as centrist post-liberal as outlined in this Quillette article:

Post-liberals, like liberals, are pro-liberty; but unlike liberals they do not believe that the maximization of personal freedom is the be-all-and-end-all of politics. Other things are important too—like family, community, nation, fairness —and therefore there are balances to be struck and conflicts to be resolved as an essential part of the democratic process. Post-liberals therefore believe that individuals have rights and duties.

The whole thing is really worth reading if you're trying to analyse a
backlash against queer theory/extreme IDPol coming from people who previously considered themselves simply as "of the left".

quillette.com/2019/07/02/post-liberal-politics-left-right-and-center/

Floisme · 17/01/2020 09:34

Julie I still love you but what the fucking fuck?
Sort it out.

nolongersurprised · 17/01/2020 09:35

NONE of the ACTUAL feminists I know can stand her”.

Jesus Christ, Julie sounds like an 11 year old.

SeaWitchly · 17/01/2020 09:39

I saw this on twitter and my first thought was Julie’s account had been hacked. It was so over the top and the irony of her also spelling the horrible Mona’s surname wrong Hmm

DuMondeB · 17/01/2020 09:40

Tweet has gone but Julie B writes for all sorts of publications from all over the political spectrum and rightly so, IMO. Does mean she doesn’t get to judge people based on who they talk to though.

Political purity is bollocks. We need to get the job done and so far, Posie seems to be the best at that. Her streaming skills are getting better and better. Next time she gets a TV slot, it’ll be even better than Posie V Harrop.