British woman found guilty of making up rape claims

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The war on women continues:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/30/briton-found-guilty-over-ayia-napa-false-claim-cyprus

The poor, poor woman. Facing a year in jail for being gang-raped.

FFS 12 guys sticking their dicks in one woman is going to hurt and cause injury without artificial lubricant. Why is it so hard to grasp thst women would not agree to this?

The majority of times that women fake orgasm, it's to try to get the guy to finish because he's hurting her. One guy is enough to cause pain for many women, let alone 12.

If they hung out as a group normally with the guy who wasn't there and she'd seen them around the resort, she may have mistakenly thought that all of them were there when in fact only some of them were there.

That could well be the case.

your few posts on FWR are very ‘what about the men’

My only other post outside of this thread (with this username, that is) is about how I believe that rights shouldn't be attained by removing rights from other groups. I stand by that 100%.

hurt and cause injury without artificial lubricant

And TBH 12 men probably will hurt even with lube.

Both sexes need single sex provision and I'm not embarrassed to voice that opinion just because the focus here is on women. I care about my partner's rights too (and every other man I'm fond of).

I was having sex with him in his hotel room, three of his friends came to the door - he said oh of course they can join in.

This particular manifestation of male sexual entitlement, in which a man treats a woman as a shareable object and not a human who might dissent, is also distressingly common amongst British sportsmen. Ched Evans being invited to "share" his teammate's ONS and the Belfast rugby rape case spring to mind. This isn't an Israeli thing, it's a male thing, specifically a male group manifestation of sexual entitlement. My hypothesis is that in their eyes, you're either wife material or a whore, and if you're judged as a whore then you're group property. (See also: rightists see women as private property of husband or father, leftists see women as public property.)

it must have been frightening and I'm glad you got away.

Both sexes need single sex provision

Many posters here agree, although this isn't the right thread. This is however the "Feminism and Women's Rights" board and we have little tolerance for WATM.

I lived in Cyprus for a number of years. Those saying that they would not go to Cyprus as a woman miss the point. Personally I would not recommend Cyprus as a destination for a man or a woman.

Cyprus is extremely corrupt. It is run by Greek and Russian mafia. Men I know have been threatened with their lives (think hung off cliffs by their feet) if they don't pay €x or they don't do x for the person doing it. Shot in broad daylight.

Cypriots are not used to dealing with women. When I first got there they refused to deal with me in the bank. They tried to deal with my husband, who has discalcular. Took them a year to realise I was the better option. When the bank manager did deal with me you could see it was not something he wanted to do.

I love parts of Cyprus. Your every day Greek Cypriot would do anything for anybody, and they are the nicest people on earth. I wouldn't trust an official as far as I could throw them.

Wrt this girl. If she was raped then this is an awful injustice. If she wasn't then she deserves longer. I don't know the truth. I was not there.

What about the rapist who was actually provably not there at the time?

My understanding is that it wasn’t the girl who named the 11 rapists- it was the man she’d consented to have sex with who did.

It really bothers me how it is being reported by the press. If you catch the headline you have no idea of the story just that someone has been jailed for a false rape accusation. I didn't read the full story until later today and was so shocked compared to the snippets I'd heard/seen on headlines.

This. Have donated now I know the full story - no thanks to the headlines.

Come on - the dismissal was given in the very specific context of a night out in a resort in Cyprus with your holiday fling. I think "end of" is a fairly normal response to that.

If that's the case, I'm very sorry for the confusion on my end.

bd67th et al. historically, kink/slut shaming was used to silence women reporting rape. I also think there's a misconception that refraining from shaming is the same as overt approval. I'm not demanding that every person 'high five' those who engage in unusual practices, I just ask that they don't heap scorn on those who do or directly deny that anyone could enjoy something that occurs between one or more consenting adults.

At the same time, I entirely agree that the victim in this case is clearly stating that she didn't consent and I don't doubt her.

I think what you're really worried about is the conclusions I would come to about the kind of man who would commit that kind of act.

That's not something I'm concerned about at all.

She didn't report to the police herself. Her doctor did after treating her injuries. She had no control or choice over that.

She didn't name the boys/men, the guy who she had the fling with did. She has no choice over that.

How exactly did she lie or plan this?

I believe her.

I've just donated to the crowdfunder and signed the petition on change.org.

I believe her.

Has anyone watched the Netflix drama Unbelievable (based on a real case)? The first case of the young woman, Marie, who the older male police officers convince/coerce to drop her rape accusations then get her convicted of lying reminded me (in some ways) of this.

There was a significant line in the Guardian report that said:

'The protesters said Monday’s verdict also spoke of the desire of authorities to “look good” at a time when Cyprus’s police force is facing unprecedented scrutiny for a string of perceived failures, including in detecting a serial killer who has since admitted killing seven foreign women and girls on the island.'

It seems to me exceptionally unlikely that this woman is lying. It's horrific. Women are already frightened to report rape cases. This will make the matter much worse than it already is.

I believe her.

She didn't report to the police herself. Her doctor did after treating her injuries. She had no control or choice over that

She didn't name the boys/men, the guy who she had the fling with did. She has no choice over that.

How exactly did she lie or plan this?

This.

I certainly wouldn't want my 18 year old to go to Cyprus. A dreadful precedent has been set.
I can't imagine the terror this girl went through. She will be scarred by this.

I was watching this on the news last night and the next article was that poor family who drowned together in a Spanish pool. Sadly I don't believe they will get justice either.

I believe the girl, I think a lot of terrible things happen in resorts and are covered up to protect the tourism industry and I wonder how many people who find themselves in similar situations actually receive real justice.

And the men got a hero's welcome, when they touched down in Israel.
Fucking lovely.

My understanding is that it wasn’t the girl who named the 11 rapists- it was the man she’d consented to have sex with who did

This (thanks to bearded)

And what panic said

Dieu that is horrific

I believe the girl, I think a lot of terrible things happen in resorts and are covered up to protect the tourism industry and I wonder how many people who find themselves in similar situations actually receive real justice

Absolutely mrsdoyle

Dd is going on holiday for the first time with friends in 2020, im actually getting a bit frightened and i don’t usually

And the men got a hero's welcome, when they touched down in Israel.

A country not without its persecution complex, with reasons.

So it looks like Raab has stuck his finger in the wind and decided there are brownie points to be had from this, which is a sort of a good thing, perhaps.

And the Fuengirola case is very very odd. Kids have been trapped in filtration vents, but not full-grown adults.

@bd67th You are making a whole load of statements which are simply not true. Whilst I appreciate that you want to support this poor woman, what you are claiming is not at all helpful.

Okay we don't know that they gang raped her. We should say they allegedly gang raped her.

What we do know, is that she was forced to retract her statement. And that is horrendous.

The whole thing should be a retrial with a new judge.

@bd67th yes there definitely seems to be an opinion in groups of men - that women are objects to be passed around. It is so sad!

There also seems to be an opinion in certain groups of men - that if you have sex with one of them - you will be up for sex with all of them.

Look at the examples:
The belfast rugby rape case . She was kissig one man, she said that his friend walked in with his penis out and said "you had sex with him, why not me!"

The cricket rape case in England. The woman was having sex with one cricket player, and then another cricket player came in and raped her.

There is such a bad view along alot of males that women are objects, that if she consents to sex with one person - she is free game for all the rest, that women are not human beings - they are just there to serve men.

A man said to me only last week "men see women as "just for sex"