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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jolyon Maugham lets slip

367 replies

EwwSprouts · 22/12/2019 16:53

In an attempt to show both sides of the GC / self-ID can be vile he takes offence at "Why is it so important to you that men are able to access our facilities? Is it personal?". Why? Because he says such a suggestion is equivalent to calling him a "pervert". So there you have it, agreement that men who want to be in female toilets tend to have a dubious sexual motivation.

twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1208394313006223360

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ScrimshawTheSecond · 22/12/2019 16:55

Well. That's a bit of a leap, isn't it? She just asked a fairly innocuous question.

theflushedzebra · 22/12/2019 17:07

Because deep down, Jolyon knows that there are perverted males that would just love to go in women's toilets and changing rooms.

That's why hidden camera porn exists, that's why cameras are regularly found in toilets...

He knows arguing for gender self ID and an end to women only spaces puts him on very dodgy ground, and puts women at risk of those perverts. It's a case of "if the cap fits..."

Thelnebriati · 22/12/2019 17:07

This reminds me of the man that sued an airline because he found it insulting for them to suggest he want a safe person to seat next to an unaccompanied child.
The end result is the airline can no longer ask women to sit next to unaccompanied children.
edition.cnn.com/2012/08/14/travel/unaccompanied-children-flights/index.html

When men put their feelings before safeguarding then its time for them to stop and take a long hard look at themselves.

ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 22/12/2019 17:19

He's blaming women for how males feel about themselves.

Women and girls wanting single sex spaces leads to males feeling like perverts and self harming, therefore women are wrong demanding such spaces.

He's not even thinking about why women and girls would want such spaces and how we feel when they are taken away from us.

The role of women and girls is to make males feel better about themselves.

Itsallgonetoofar · 22/12/2019 18:08

Sense of entitlement drips off him

Alltheprettyseahorses · 22/12/2019 18:21

I can't see at other reason for the invasions. I don't care if males cry that their feelings are hurt because of it. It could never outweigh the harm being done to women's bodies. Women are not insignificant collateral. It truly is a war on us.

RoyalCorgi · 22/12/2019 19:52

"Deliberate misgendering of transmen and women will contribute to those deaths and self-harm. That is a very real wrong done by those who adopt extreme positions, including Maya."

Crikey. He's really drunk the Kool-aid, hasn't he?

Voice0fReason · 22/12/2019 20:31

Deliberate misgendering of transmen and women will contribute to those deaths and self-harm
Will it really? What about accidental misgendering?
Is it healthy for people's entire self-esteem and well-being to be in the hands of other people who may not even know them? It strikes me that people need to take more responsibility for themselves rather than trying to police the language of everyone else.

BDandAS · 22/12/2019 20:51

Jolyon is utterly awful isn't he? And apparently doesn't know that you should only use speech marks if It's a direct quote and not if, say, you are changing what someone said from people suffering from a delusion to 'delusional'.

Or maybe he does know but he's a manipulative little turd?

OldCrone · 22/12/2019 21:01

Deliberate misgendering of transmen and women will contribute to those deaths and self-harm

Really? How does that work then? Is it like "Every Time A Child Says "I Don't Believe In Fairies" There Is A Fairy Somewhere That Falls Down Dead"?

theflushedzebra · 22/12/2019 21:03

Yes, he's utterly, utterly awful.

I do't know whether he realises it not, but he is basically saying that women should shut up - they are not entitled to the female only spaces that women have fought for decades for - because some males want to identify as women now. And we should prioritise them.

Well, you can shove that where the sun don't shine, mate.

SidJS · 22/12/2019 21:04

Does he mean people like these??

I assume this link is already on the ‘it’ll never happen’ thread?

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1191453438825181186.html

CatInTheDaytime · 22/12/2019 21:06

We recognise that when a woman is in an abusive relationship and tries to stand up to the man and say no to his demands / walk away / see him for what he is, his threats to kill himself are a form of control. This is the same. “If I kill myself it’s your fault because you didn’t do what I commanded.”

theflushedzebra · 22/12/2019 21:09

SidJS - wtf?!

Never heard of this one before. In Kent where I am too Shock FFS identifying as a 5 yr old girl. FFS!!!! And only got 15mths. Grrr I hate this world.

Jolyon Maugham lets slip
theflushedzebra · 22/12/2019 21:16

And the threat of suicide should NEVER be held over women to enable a male to get what they want.

We know this puts women at risk - why doesn't Jolyon, Mr "social justice" care? Doesn't Jolyon think women deserve safety? Does Jolyon think Mr "identifies as a 5 year girl" should go into the women's loos with my young daughter?? Angry

littlbrowndog · 22/12/2019 21:17

Had a quick look at his twitter feed. Cripes he’s bonkers. Gone full bonkers

theflushedzebra · 22/12/2019 21:19

Jolyon is full steam ahead on the paedophiles identifying as 5yr old girls able to access women's spaces, littlbrown. Because it never happens. Apart from all the times it has.

littlbrowndog · 22/12/2019 21:20

Yeah I was like wow. Wtaf is he doing

littlbrowndog · 22/12/2019 21:25

Reading his twitter. What’s his skin in this

Seems mad that a guy is so engrossed in this for no reason

Why is he doing this cos his spuodidlsy clever brain must be like this doesn’t make sense. Yet he goes on and on and on

How weird is he

nauticant · 22/12/2019 21:30

Why is he doing this

It starts with acquiring influence and thus power in one's own domain and then using that to acquire influence and thus power in neighbouring domains.

IrenetheQuaint · 22/12/2019 21:31

Jo Maugham mentioned in a tweet the other day that he has a close friend/family member (can't remember which) who is trans. So his increasingly bonkers tweets need to be seen in that context - I get the impression he feels he needs to fight on that person's behalf.

Binterested · 22/12/2019 21:31

I think he has a relative or loved one who is trans. Which has totally blinded him to all other considerations. He really has not applied any thinking to this and certainly won’t listen to women.

Binterested · 22/12/2019 21:34

Funnily enough I have family members and friends who are women.

theflushedzebra · 22/12/2019 21:41

Yes, lots of us are fighting this for, specifically, our own daughters, and in general, for the safety and dignity of women, Jolyon. I have no idea why he thinks his loved one's rights trump my daughter's rights?

Can we agree to all come together to fight for an additional third space, Jolyon, this preserving women's rights too?

littlbrowndog · 22/12/2019 21:41

Yeah so what we all have family and friends doing different stuff

Doesn’t mean we go,total bonkers and forget we have a brain

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