Jolyon Maugham lets slip

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In an attempt to show both sides of the GC / self-ID can be vile he takes offence at "Why is it so important to you that men are able to access our facilities? Is it personal?". Why? Because he says such a suggestion is equivalent to calling him a "pervert". So there you have it, agreement that men who want to be in female toilets tend to have a dubious sexual motivation.

twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1208394313006223360

Doesn’t mean we go,total bonkers and forget we have a brain

^This. I can see that he may be prepared to tell the white lie to his friend that they are/have acquired the new sex but from that to everybody across the country must collude with the fiction is an arrogance overload.

He's a tax lawyer so I really don't understand why he is so into this frankly. On Twitter he comes across as a very arrogant man, clearly believing he moves on a superior plane both morally and intellectually. Any questioning that he can't answer or which shows that his position doesn't make sense is met with an immediate block. He hasn't got beyond 'be nice ladies' and seems unable to understand why males can't be welcomed into women's sport. Not worth bothering with in my opinion.

Thing is the “they’ll commit suicide” argument does not in any way provide a rational argument that TRA demands are right. Threats of suicide have long been used by eg men to prevent partners leaving especially in abusive relationships, but whether it’s deliberately manipulative or not is irrelevant. It’s just not an argument.

If my view is that TWA not W, the statement that - if you do not agree, a person may kill themselves - is not persuasive in relation to my belief of that fact. It MAY make me feel guilty and even PRETEND that I believe it, but that’s different.

What it amounts to, for me, is if your self confidence is so fragile that a person stating a fact - not in a hostile confrontational way, but say on here, or social media, as part of a discussion on the issue - can cause you to take your life, then you really need help. It is not for me, or anyone, or everyone, to pretend those triggering facts are not actually true.

I see this quite a lot with men like Jolyon. They have a nice trans friend, who isn't a predatory creep and just wants to live their life, so it's an attack on their friend. They can't see beyond that and therefore can't listen to what we're saying properly.

How old are his children?

An attack on his friend, and also an attack on him. Because a lot of lefty people put a lot of stock in their friend group and how correct they are, and define themselves through it. Implying there is something 'wrong' about them makes them a bit crazy.

It would make you feel rage if you were told that the ideas you’d invested in because your loved one told you these were universal truths were being chipped away at by outsiders who happen to be able to think and communicate. It makes it worse that the outsiders aren’t even aggressive. They are not your normal enemy. What the hell do you do then?

When your foundations are being wobbled you can either examine your foundations for solidity or you can shout and scream and call the questioners extreme and aggressive and hope that people rally round to help you shore up your wobbly edifice.

Great points, Tocopherol and Binterested

Also I think that's why they turn a blind eye to the violent threats of TRAs or try to downplay or "both sides" it: their nice trans friend wouldn't do something like that, but it really hurts them if you don't think they are a woman.

They have a nice trans friend, who isn't a predatory creep and just wants to live their life, so it's an attack on their friend. They can't see beyond that and therefore can't listen to what we're saying properly.

This is one of the things that was behind the need of TRAs to create the idea of huge numbers of 'trans' children. They are obviously not predators, and people will know them as the friends and classmates of their children, or even as their own children.

Is "but what about the perverts and their feelings?" really where you want to go with this, Jolyon?

I do find it strange when a man is so invested in attacking women on Twitter using a particular issue in order to do it.

The first time I saw it was with Steve Brookstein and the Ched Evans case. He was so bizarrely invested in it and some of the things he was saying about Evans victim and women in general, I just couldn't believe it, especially as he seemed like such an unremarkable bloke.

Of course now with the trans issue, men can air their thoughts about women and look woke and progressive whilst doing it, so it's win win all round for them. Which is why you have people like Harrop, Jo Maugham, Aidan Comerford, Owen Jones who can voice their hatred of women, call them TERFS, loons, tell them what they are and aren't allowed to think, tell them what they can and can't be, all the textbook misogynistic stuff, safe in the knowledge that they can just claim that they are being 'kind and compassionate'.

An attack on his friend, and also an attack on him. Because a lot of lefty people put a lot of stock in their friend group and how correct they are, and define themselves through it. Similar to the academic circles and blue ticks who want to be on trend, but man on the street.

The friend may be Clair Quentin who gave evidence against Maya. They know each other.

Jolyon is a bit like Owen - he's found a niche upon which he can shower his store of sanctimony on those he regards as uppity peasant women.

The upside of this is that he has the world's worst political instincts (oh! also like Owen!) and so if he's taken it on as a crusade, it's almost certainly on its way out.

(That's my silver lining and I'm sticking to it!)

JM is getting a lot of stick this morning on Twitter because he said he began the day by killing a fox with a baseball bat. Apparently the fox had become entangled in the netting that protects JM's henhouse.

twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1210110735189233665

He's a psychopath - on what planet is that a normal response to the situation

Glad to see he has been reported.

That’s terrible. I saw it on twitter.

Why we he beat it to death and then boast about it on twitter.

Foxes doing what foxes do. Why didn’t he have secure hen house

And gawd boasting about it. What a dreadful man he is

Glad to see he has been reported.

To the police? I'm pretty sure that's illegal.

www.gov.uk/guidance/foxes-moles-and-mink-how-to-protect-your-property-from-damage

Any foxes, moles and mink that you catch are protected under the Animal Welfare Act 2006. You can be jailed and fined up to £20,000 for causing unnecessary suffering to an animal.

Illegal control methods
You must only use control methods set out in this guidance. Failure to do so could mean you face a jail sentence of up to 6 months and a fine of up to £5,000.

Beating it to death with a baseball bat isn't mentioned as a control method, and it's almost certain to cause unnecessary suffering.

Looks like a hefty fine and possible jail sentence.

I've got a screenshot if he decides it was unwise to tweet about his own criminal behaviour.

Also archived here.
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Attention seeking fucking fuckwit.

No, Jolyon, you don't look like a manly man in touch with the realities of nature.

You look like a twat who didn't protect his hens properly. What if it had been your neighbour's cat? Would you have clubbed that to death too? I live in the country. We quite often get deer blundering about. Is a deer clubbable too?

I dislike this man in a truly visceral way.

I suppose he would argue that he was putting the fox out of its misery. I don't know the details of the situation but I like to think that in the same situation I would attempt to free the fox by cutting away the netting.

I don't suppose he'll be prosecuted as people like that are well-connected enough to get themselves out of any trouble.

I dislike this man in a truly visceral way.

He does seem pretty horrible.

Did he check if the fox identified as a hen? If so, he should have let it in the henhouse.

The chickens should have just tutted

am shocked Jolyon was so keen to assume that the fox, once in the hen-house, would behave in a manner that was threatening towards the chickens.
This is straightforward bigotry, based on isolated and unrepresentative incidents.

great responses!

Really bigoted to call what is clearly a trans chicken a fox. It might have been brutally assigned fox at birth but did you know that the fox-chicken binary is actually socially constructed?