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Maya lost - can it be true?

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OhHolyJesus · 18/12/2019 19:38

I'm not saying it is true - Twitter isn't known for being wedded to truth...anyone able to shed light? I thought the verdict wasn't due for a while...

twitter.com/boysvswomen/status/1207379435684585474

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CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 18/12/2019 19:39

There is no way to know, but it wouldn't surprise me.

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JellySlice · 18/12/2019 19:39

I'll wait to hear it from Maya or another reputable source.

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PurpleCrowbar · 18/12/2019 19:39

Email from Maya's crowdfunder confirming it in last few minutes.

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snowblight · 18/12/2019 19:40

It seems strange that only one person has tweeted about this given it's been a fairly high-profile case.... unless they have inside knowledge and have seen something before it's been made official.

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GurlwiththeCurl · 18/12/2019 19:40

Just had email confirmation.

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LiterallyProblematic · 18/12/2019 19:41

From the Crowdfunding email
Update on I lost my job for talking about women’s rights

Dear all,

I received the judgement this afternoon. Here it is: Maya Forstater v CGD .
I lost. This judgement is chilling for the freedom of belief and speech.

I am gutted with the news but thinking through options with my legal team.

Below is my official statement.

Thank you all so much for your support. Courage Calls!
Lots of love
Maya

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I struggle to express the shock and disbelief I feel at reading this judgment, which I think will be shared by the vast majority of people who are familiar with my case.
My belief as i set out in my witness statement is that sex is a biological fact, and is immutable. There are two sexes, male and female. Men and boys are male. Women and girls are female. It is impossible to change sex. These were until very recently understood as basic facts of life by almost everyone.
As I said at my tribunal I will as a matter of courtesy use preferred pronouns and I support human rights. Everyone should be free to express themselves, to break free of gender stereotypes and to live free of violence, harrassment and discrimination.
But this does not require removing people’s freedom to speak about objective reality, or to discuss proposed changes to law and to government policies clearly.
Women facd discrimination on the basis of our sex. The rights of women to organise, to play a role in public life and to be protected against discrimination have been hard-won in recent generations. Protections against sex discrimination depend on being able to recognise sex. This is why it is a protected characteristic in the Equality Act.
This judgment removes women’s rights and the right to freedom of belief and speech. It gives judicial licence for women and men who speak up for objective truth and clear debate to be subject to aggression, bullying, no platforming and economic punishment.
I will consider the judgment closely with my legal team to determine what can be done to challenge it. I will make a further statement once that task is complete.
I want to express my thanks to my legal team Anya Palmer and Peter Daly for the excellent job they have done, to Kristina Harrison for speaking up as a witness in my tribunal, and to everyone whose careful and compassionate writing on this topic helped me to understand the issues. I am grateful for the outpouring of support I have received from around the world, via social media, on Mumsnet, through feminist networks and in person.
In particular thank you to everyone who has made and continues to make financial donations towards the legal costs through crowdjustice.com.
Most of all I want to thank my husband, my children and my family for their support. I will be forever grateful to everyone who has stood with me.

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mement0mori · 18/12/2019 19:42
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Redshoeblueshoe · 18/12/2019 19:42

WTF

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Thelnebriati · 18/12/2019 19:43

Its confirmed on the crowdfunder, the judgement is here;

drive.google.com/file/d/12P9zf82TicPs2cCxlTnm0TrNFDD8Gaz5/view

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CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 18/12/2019 19:43

Considering how big this is it's not unexpected. Hopefully an appeal will happen.

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MyMajesty · 18/12/2019 19:43

Sad Angry

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SophoclesTheFox · 18/12/2019 19:44

Oh no, this is awful. On what grounds?

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ThePurported · 18/12/2019 19:45

I had the email as well.

Maya, from the bottom of my heart THANK YOU for doing this. You have raised awareness even though the ruling didn't go your way.
Let us know if there is anything we can do, funding- or otherwise.

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ScrimshawTheSecond · 18/12/2019 19:45

Fuck.

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Forgotthebins · 18/12/2019 19:46

But did she lose on the grounds of belief, or because she was on a fixed term contract? Awful for her either way and I hope she gets another (better) job, but important difference. Maya if you're reading, Flowers

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popehilarious · 18/12/2019 19:46

What in the absolute fuck?

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Kit19 · 18/12/2019 19:47

Fuck me!!! I’ll wait to see on what grounds - it could be a technicality

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Kit19 · 18/12/2019 19:48

Yes @Forgotthebins on what grounds is really important

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BovaryX · 18/12/2019 19:48

OMG. I can’t believe it. This is shocking and just speechless

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DeeZastris · 18/12/2019 19:48

Fucking hell.

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Thelnebriati · 18/12/2019 19:49

The Equality Act says that a philosophical belief must be genuinely held and more than an opinion. It must be cogent, serious and apply to an important aspect of human life or behaviour.

www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/advice-and-guidance/religion-or-belief-discrimination

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Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 18/12/2019 19:49

Was coming to post this. Fuck fuck fuck.

“Not entitled to ignore the fact that someone has a GRC” lots of “assigned” female at birth bollocks, TW are special & must be cared for like fluffy little bunnies who cares about the old fashioned cunty women. AngryAngryAngry

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NeurotrashWarrior · 18/12/2019 19:50

SadAngry

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Sparkyduchess · 18/12/2019 19:50

Oh my god. Maya, I’m another who is and remains solidly in your corner and thanks you for standing up.

Chilling doesn’t come clinique to describing it

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Cuntysnark · 18/12/2019 19:50

This is insane. I’m mystified.

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