Maya lost - can it be true?

[OhHolyJesus]

I'm not saying it is true - Twitter isn't known for being wedded to truth...anyone able to shed light? I thought the verdict wasn't due for a while...

twitter.com/boysvswomen/status/1207379435684585474

Wait, WHAT?

This one was an employment tribunal?

I have no idea what, if any, appeals process is open to her.

Thank you for standing up for women, children, reality and freedom of thought, conscience, belief and speech against the bullying bigots Maya. Sorry this didn't go your way but you have opened many more people's eyes to the appalling ideology being forced on an unwilling populace.

Oh FFS

"However, I consider that the Claimant's view, in its absolutist nature, is
incompatible with human dignity and fundamental rights of others. She goes so
far as to deny the right of a person with a Gender Recognition Certificate to be
the sex to which they have transitioned. I do not accept the Claimant's
contention that the Gender Recognition Act produces a mere legal fiction. It
provides a right, based on the assessment of the various interrelated
convention rights, for a person to transition, in certain circumstances, and
thereafter to be treated for all purposes as the being of the sex to which they
have transitioned. In Goodwin a fundamental aspect of the reasoning of the
ECHR was that a person who has transitioned should not be forced to identify
their gender assigned at birth. Such a person should be entitled to live as a
person of the sex to which they have transitioned. That was recognised in the
Gender Recognition Act which states that the change of sex applies for “all
purposes”. Therefore, if a person has transitioned from male to female and has
a Gender Recognition Certificate that person is legally a woman. That is not
something that the Claimant is entitled to ignore."

I've briefly read through the decision and find it quite laughable. It seemed to hone in on the idea that Maya thinking sex and biology are material reality was a newly discovered belief.

Total lunacy.

Maya I hope you take this further, we will all be behind you.

That's insane. Literally. You're not allowed to believe the truth?

Batshit.

As I feared - saying her horrible bigoted beliefs are not compatible with dignity and therefore don’t qualify.

Definitely needs an appeal if she can bear it as I’m not convinced by the cogency of the judgement in all places.

The Equality Act says that a philosophical belief must be genuinely held and more than an opinion. It must be cogent, serious and apply to an important aspect of human life or behaviour.

Important aspects of human life and behaviour like say, the continuation of the species via SEXUAL reproduction?

I really hope the papers puck this up and tear it to shreds.

That was recognised in the Gender Recognition Act which states that the change of sex applies for “all purposes”.

Except 'gender affected' (women's) sports. They are specifically excluded. So I wonder what other areas of the law this judge was unfamiliar with.

OMG bloody lunacy

Thank you Maya.
We are most definitely not done here.

Last statement of ruling:

It is also a slight of hand to suggest that the Claimant merely does not hold the belief that transwomen are women. She positively believes that they are men and will say so whenever she wishes. Put either as a belief or lack of belief, the view held by the Claimant fails the Grainger criteria and so she does not have the protected characteristic of philosophical belief.A slight of hand?

People who have penises, and we are not permitted to say they are men? How dare we say so whenever we wish?

We should be shut down and not allowed to say people with penises are men whenever we wish?

Slight of hand?

In a parallel world I'd be sending the judge the jam-packed folder of 'transwomen' on the internet with their various fetish shots of thighs, boots, penises in knickers and fishtights.

Slight of fucking hand?

Except 'gender affected' (women's) sports.
And those pesky hereditary titles

Just reading through the analysis from 74 onwards.

There is a fair amount of nuance and I'd definitely need guidance from a legal person to be sure that I understand it.

Jesus Fucking Christ. This is an absolute travesty. I've skimmed the judgment - it's absolute bollocks.

Let's pray for an appeal to someone with an iota of sense.

that the Gender Recognition Act produces a mere legal fiction. It
provides a right, based on the assessment of the various interrelated
convention rights, for a person to transition, in certain circumstances, and
thereafter to be treated for all purposes as the being of the sex to which they
have transitioned

That simply isn't true. A woman transitioning can't claim a male title.

Um...is that a quote? Because it's sleight of hand so I'm now concerned about literacy in the judiciary as well as insanity.

^However, I consider that the Claimant's view, in its absolutist nature, is
incompatible with human dignity and fundamental rights of others^

This is absolutely shocking. It’s unbelievable

Because it's sleight of hand so I'm now concerned about literacy in the judiciary as well as insanity.

Yes - it is a typo in the document because it irritated me.

Slight of fucking hand?

Surely sleight? Or does Maya have very small hands...

Maya, this is appalling. I'm just gobsmacked. Reading (skimming) the judgement and I can't believe it. So much utter twaddle.

I'm so sorry.

I've tried reading the judgement. The last sentence of para 78 will need explaining to me as it seems incomprehensible?

But basically she lost because a recognised belief can't be incompatible with dignity.

There's a lot in there that doesn't seen to correspond with what happened at the trial (via the tweets, so perhaps I missed something?)

Isn't Katie Alcock's case making the same argument as Maya?

It's shitty & stressful for Maya, & thank you Maya for your courage .

Elsewhere...well it's more sunlight. It's patently batshit. I hope it's widely reported, I really do.

I've read the judgement. It's absolutely fucking batshit.

If you ever had any doubt that this is a war on women, then Judge Tayler's judgement makes it absolutely crystal clear.

James Kirkup and Janice Turner are going to have a field day on this.

I noticed "slight" and there are a couple of other typos too.