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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Maya lost - can it be true?

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OhHolyJesus · 18/12/2019 19:38

I'm not saying it is true - Twitter isn't known for being wedded to truth...anyone able to shed light? I thought the verdict wasn't due for a while...

twitter.com/boysvswomen/status/1207379435684585474

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OldCrone · 28/12/2019 22:12

that just goes to show why attempting to ‘change sex’ is so futile and bound to fail and why post-transition suicide stats are so much higher; you cannot change reality, you can only learn to accept and deal with it.

Yes. I had a light bulb moment when I read something that @Qcng posted on another thread.

When it comes down to it, they are entirely dependent on the opinion of strangers to prop up their entire sense of self.

Now that I've realised that, I'm noticing that nearly every description about being transgender centres around how people are treated by others, and almost never about an internal sense of self. So people who are talking about being their 'authentic self' are doing nothing of the sort. They are trying to make the world see them as something they are not and treat them accordingly. It's all about how society treats them and absolutely nothing to do with their own internal identity which is not dependent on external validation.

Ereshkigal · 30/12/2019 11:10

They are trying to make the world see them as something they are not and treat them accordingly.

You're right. It's about power and control.

OldCrone · 30/12/2019 12:20

It's about power and control.

I was going to say that it's not about power and control in the case of ROGD girls who want to be seen as boys. But in a way it is - it's about regaining control over their lives that they feel they don't have as girls.

merrymouse · 30/12/2019 18:10

They are trying to make the world see them as something they are not and treat them accordingly.

That course of action isn't available to women. There have been a couple of high profile news stories about trans men giving birth recently, but fundamentally if you live in a country with no maternity rights and you are left with the baby (and biology dictates that a man can always leave the baby), you are just as stuffed as anybody else with a uterus.

The difference between my life and my great grandmother's is legislation and medical care. Take those away and we are exactly the same, regardless of our identities.

Women have no choice but to argue that we are different to men AND we deserve full human rights.

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