do you think that a Labour's policy on trans issue played a part in their defeat

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and the same for the LibDem's, obviously?
It played a large part in my vote, firstly because of the policies themselves, but also because they were symptomatic of Labour/LibDem's attitude to Women, but I don't think many people felt that way, or had any awareness of the situation .
I was just wondering what other's thought.

I think it did for the lib dem not for labour. In the middle of the election my dad mansplained the self ID issue after hearing Jo Swinson on radio 4. Did you know I could just say I am a woman and that would be it I would be a woman. Yes dad I am aware of that

I think the utter decimation of Labour’s vote in the North is because most people don’t have much time for the authoritarian, radical cultural agenda epitomized by Momentum. The trans ideology is part of this agenda.

When I explained to my husband that I was no longer a woman but a cis-women and that men who had transitioned were no women he decided not to vote Lib Dem. I told him about Jo's view on this, we discussed the Rachel bollocks in cycling (his thing) and he was quite baffled.

I don't think it affected the labour vote as I don't think they were questioned on it. Swinson on the other hand I think really suffered from it, as she was publicly and repeatedly questioned about it

I think it's part of the reason. People are fed of identity politics and putting feelings over facts. Political parties have called in wrong on this.

My friend voted labour, I said even after what happened in Brighton? She hadn't heard about what happened at the WPUK meeting and was disgusted. Said she wouldn't have voted for them if she'd known.

No. People are like this when I tell them about it.

It was about No 4 on my list of reasons not to vote for them. And No.1 on my list of reasons not to vote Lib Dem or Green in the alternative. I spoiled my ballot because of it.

LibDems are still being punished for the coalition.

I think it was all part of it, as BovaryX says

Yes. Partly.

It was about No 4 on my list of reasons not to vote for them. And No.1 on my list of reasons not to vote Lib Dem or Green in the alternative. I spoiled my ballot because of it

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I think Swinson’s incoherent attempts to defend this ideology has been pivotal in her losing her seat. I hope that the media will continue to focus on this topic because irrespective of who is in government, the lobby will still be trying to influence policy ‘behind the veil’

It certainly influenced me and is why I drew a penis on my ballot paper!

I don’t think their (Labour and Lib Dem) position played a part in their defeat. However the car crash of interviews where female politicians tried to defend self id will have a sent a clear message to other politicians that there is no logic behind this position, it detracts from getting their key messages over and they will have their asses kicked by interviewers.

It will be interesting to see how the new leaders handle this issue. The Tories don’t need to be woke and inclusive at the moment and we’re turning away from it so aren’t going to be pushing it.

I think it did for the lib dem not for labour.

I agree. I've just been reading Janice Turner's column in today's Times, which some of you may find interesting. She gives OJ a namecheck but it's all about Corbyn and momentum's lack of understanding of working class concerns.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/corbyn-is-clueless-about-the-working-class-683k78n7z?shareToken=5c0df8bba9736c1c114f33eb1a8669e0

We need to form a lobby group to keep pushing the government on this.

I was a member of my local LibDems and it certainly accounted for a large amount of women like me (middle age, long term supporters) spoiling our votes. Especially as our particular candidate Sarah Wollaston so quickly branded us hateful.

Can’t speak for Labour supporters though. I’m assuming it’s just Labour underestimating quite how much they’ve alienated the WC and their unclear stance on Brexit.

It certainly had an impact on my decision to spoil my ballot. Quite apart from the fact it will be disastrous for women and girls, it also showed up the abusiveness and intolerance of different views in Labour and the Lib Dem’s.

I think it likely had an impact on Swinson losing her seat, seeing as the margin was so small.

I was really switched off Labour by all the Tory-hating on social media. I couldn’t get past the contempt for anyone who had a single view out of line and the repeated message that people who voted for other parties were selfish and greedy. I’ve voted for Labour in my time, and I’ve voted for other parties. I don’t want to define myself in one bit of the population that’s self-congratulatory about how right we are and how everyone else is hateful. I guess the broader identity politics switched me off, rather than their ambiguous stance on women’s rights.

Going against the trend, libdem and green candidates didn’t stand in my constituency and I was never going to vote brexit/conservative, so my choices were labour or plaid. I would have voted labour, but chose plaid based purely on the self ID issue.

I don’t want to define myself in one bit of the population that’s self-congratulatory about how right we are and how everyone else is hateful. I guess the broader identity politics switched me off, rather than their ambiguous stance on women’s rights

Excellent post avocadoze

I think it did for Lib Dem more than Labour. Partly because Lib Dems have a stronger stance on this issue, and partly because IMO the kind of person who would be put off by their trans policies is the kind of person who would otherwise find the Lib Dems an attractive party, so it's attacking their core support. (I may possibly be projecting my own views there.)

Spoke to Labour canvassers about this and they were completely unaware - said that Jeremy Corbyn was the person who would be most supportive out of all the leaders of women and girls.
I said that’s not the message I’ve got after the appointment of a male born teenager as women’s officer and Jeremy’s interview with pink news this week promising to push for self id.
They were completely unaware that women feel so concerned about this

As part of 'woke' ideology more generally, yes.

It isn't just the trans horseshit, it's the endlessly scolding people about their 'privilege' when the scolder invariably has more real privilege (or money as it's commonly known) than the scoldee.

It's endlessly wanking on about 'inclusion' while failing to include the working class. It's telling people they are racist when they criticise a religion. It's patting themselves on the back for being 'diverse' when they have an Oxbridge educated black man, Oxbridge educated muslim women, Oxbridge educated gay man, Oxbridge educated disabled women, Oxbridge educated XY trans person on a committee.

People aren't stupid. They know all this box ticking and language policing isn't doing shit to improve the lives of the actual vulnerable and their sick of it.

No. There were so many other issues that were more relevant to most people.

I don't think it did, we're still in a minority, but I'm pretty sure over the next five years it will be a massive frontier that whoever takes charge of labour needs to aware of and come out strongly on side of one side. The wishy washy answers won't hold eventually.

In my area our labour candidate was deselected over the lgbtq teaching in a local primary school. He stood as an independent and did quite well. And this was his platform. He appealed to the conservative (small c) Muslim vote. Which is one to watch!