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do you think that a Labour's policy on trans issue played a part in their defeat

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Gone2far · 14/12/2019 08:06

and the same for the LibDem's, obviously?
It played a large part in my vote, firstly because of the policies themselves, but also because they were symptomatic of Labour/LibDem's attitude to Women, but I don't think many people felt that way, or had any awareness of the situation .
I was just wondering what other's thought.

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ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 16/12/2019 13:21

And I don't know where posters live that they seem to come across trans people in the numbers talked about on here

I don't. I am only aware of one trans person here.

An XY trans person in a women's prison.

An XY trans person who was convicted of an extremely violent crime is locked up with women.

An XY trans person causing extremely vulnerable women stress and upset and taking away their limited opportunities.

Everyone here knows about this XY trans person.

Everyone here thinks this XY trans person should be in the men's prison.

It only takes one.

fuckitywhy · 16/12/2019 13:29

I didn't vote labour for the first time last week either over this issue. The arrogant fuckers can go fuck themselves.

Even if that was one vote lost in my constituency, it's one they didn't need to lose. What a daft issue to alienate people on.

Darkhome · 16/12/2019 13:36

It's why I didn't vote Labour or Plaid Cymru as an alternative this time. And neither will ever get my vote again unless they safeguard our sex.

placemats · 16/12/2019 15:37

No. Sadly I don't. I don't believe for one moment they give a shiny feck when it comes to losing voters over this issue.

It was those people in the North who voted for the Brexit Party that lost it for Labour. Life long Labour supporters who voted happily for the Brexit Party.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 16/12/2019 17:11

Women here are so much nicer than they're given credit for. I read that comment demanding where we run across trans people and immediately interpreted it as "help make it easier for me and my mates to doxx you".

PhilbricksCat · 16/12/2019 20:22

I read that comment demanding where we run across trans people and immediately interpreted it as "help make it easier for me and my mates to doxx you".

Oh good grief- if you are referring to my post commenting that I don't come across trans people invading changing rooms etc the FWR posters seem to it was "not demanding" anything.

As for the second part about doxxing - I read the trans threads on here. I'm largely on the fence but your comment is exactly the sort of hyperbole which makes me not take "gender critical" posters seriously.

PhilbricksCat · 16/12/2019 20:24

Who exactly "my mates" are I have to leave to your overactive imagination.

Kljnmw3459 · 16/12/2019 20:34

I really don't think trans issue had anything to do with how labour performed. Brexit was no doubt the main reason for labour voters switching to tory.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 16/12/2019 20:38

Be nice or people will be forced not to take your political position seriously, ladies! And that's all the attention that person is getting from me. Germaine would likely advise that others follow suit.

Tavannach · 16/12/2019 20:42

No.

It was Corbyn.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 16/12/2019 20:48

As important as the gender stuff is to me I agree that the main issues were having a leader nobody liked (other than the people who liked him so much that it was offputting to everyone else, because who wants to elect a cult leader) and lack of a coherent and clear Brexit policy.

AssignedNorthern · 16/12/2019 20:52

It's the reason they lost my vote and I changed my mind on the last day due to the pink news interview with Corbyn. In my Northern constituency we had a Labour MP who lost to the conservatives by over 5000 votes, the brexit party was nowhere near to either labour or Tory.

mynameiswah · 16/12/2019 22:04

I'm not sure, I don't it's a major issue for most people. Outside of Mn I never hear anyone I know talking about it, or being more than vaguely aware of the issues.

I think Brexit was the deciding factor (though I think the whole election was a fix by the tories anyway, but that's another issue).

theflushedzebra · 16/12/2019 23:25

I agree Brexit was the main factor - esp in the northern constituencies that have voted Labour for generations.

We know from here that it cost them some votes though - and we know that twitter is a bubble - where TRA pile-ons & trending topics (like #VoteLabour) are not representative of the country's views as a whole.

My question would be - for both Labour & Libdems:

Did putting GRA reform into your manifesto gain you more votes than it cost?

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 16/12/2019 23:31

On that I'd say that the overall tally is unlikely to have been anything but a net loss for both parties. Twitter is not reality.

Kljnmw3459 · 17/12/2019 07:00

But then again as per usual they had a lot of the under-44 votes so it may even have gained them supporters. Didn't translate to seats though.

Nappyvalley15 · 17/12/2019 07:14

The GRA reform stuff was over shadowed by how crap the leader was and Brexit. With those out of the way there will be alot more focus on these issues should labour maintain their stance on them. No debate no longer holds and this would be a bigger issue for labour in future elections.

MarshaBradyo · 17/12/2019 07:23

The list of what turned people off Labour is long enough for this not to have been a consideration for most.

slimeandfear · 17/12/2019 17:39

But then again as per usual they had a lot of the under-44 votes

Not mine though, I spoiled.

TheCraneWife · 17/12/2019 18:04

It was those people in the North who voted for the Brexit Party that lost it for Labour. Life long Labour supporters who voted happily for the Brexit Party

Eh? The Brexit Party didn't win a single seat. The Labour party failed to attract voters because its leader is an incompetent, deluded vain Marxist. Its manifesto was ludicrous and clearly unrealistic.

I doubt if its policy on gender issues mattered one whit for any voter outside the FWR bubble.

Thethiniceofanewday · 17/12/2019 19:10

Stats out from YouGov today breaking down voting by gender - for the Lib Dems women’s support was at least one percent below male support across age bands. Which I thought was interesting. I’ll try and find a link, YouGov posted the charts on twitter

slimeandfear · 17/12/2019 19:13

The Brexit Party didn't win a single seat.

They didn't need to. They only had to provide a non-Tory alternative to traditionally-Labour Leavers who would otherwise have voted Labour despite their People's Vote pledge. This reduced the Labour vote share more than Labour-to-Tory defectors alone would, allowing the Tories to take seats like NW Durham and taking half of the 20% drop in Labour vote share seen in Jarrow.

birdsdestiny · 17/12/2019 19:23

I am in that NW Durham seat, Brexit will have played a part, but our MP was linked strongly to momentum and Corbyn. I am fairly sure our previous MP would have held the seat.
Labour lost my vote for a number of reasons, the GC issue being one of them.

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