Jeremy Corbyn comments on GRA - Pink News Q&A

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*Can we be reassured that the Gender Recognition Act will be reformed and fixed to ensure the safety, protection and validation of trans and non-binary people in the UK?

Can you promise us that this will be put into action, rather than simply saying you will, when you become prime minister?*

Yes, I can definitely promise that, because this is long overdue. We will reform the Gender Recognition Act to include self-identification for trans people – and we will make sure the voices of non-binary people are finally heard in our review of the GRA consultation.
Trans people will no longer have to endure invasive, dehumanising and lengthy processes in order to have their gender recognised. And we’ll also amend the Equality Act 2010.

We need to remove the outdated language in there, and we’re going to ensure there are proper protections for trans people against discrimination.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/12/11/jeremy-corbyn-gay-rights-lgbt-equality-iran-hamas-section-28-general-election-interview/

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This sounds promising too!

Oh I love Ian Hislop. HIGNFY has been an excellent antidote for the last few weeks, especially the extended versions.

Well fuck Labour, then.

So sorry BadgertheBodger I just cannot comprehend the inhumanity of how this country treats the disabled. I hope your appeal doesn't take the normal frigging long time and is successful asap.

The UN Special Rapporteur's report called this whole system a breach of the human rights of people with disabilities in the UK and if that alone wasn't shocking enough for the fifth-richest country in the world, that report made for harrowing reading.

As for voting, I too would like to appeal to others not to shame or blame or condemn others here for their voting choices. This is a deeply personal decision, based on a whole range of factors that is only for each individual to decide. All I would ever ask is that you take part in the election, even if it's just to spoil your vote. I grew up in a country without democratic elections and this is too precious a right to forego.

As for Labour - I would bet money on Labour not reforming the GRA. The internal debate is not just raging, but is raging at the highest levels now both within the leadership and the NEC. The commitment to reform the EqA is old, it's what my useless Labour MP (or more accurately her assistant) has been telling me in emails, too. They do not have any understanding of the implications. At all.

Whoever wins this election, we will have to intensify our fight. The issue is now out in the open and going mainstream, so we may have a chance for a fairer fight now.

To the OP: have never voted Conservative in my life, but in your situation I would vote for whoever can beat HB, too. Have never joined a party. Not sure I would. But am going to help my GC candidate's campaign today. Because we have at least a chance to have an MP who has taken a public stance for women's rights. I have to fight for that, however small the chance.

Well said Charley.

Oh look Datun, your F word has been erased.

Yes. It's always so useful to observe.

A) women must be tone policed.

B) women must not be angry.

C) men are scared of angry women

D) I can waste the time of twitter wankers just by saying fuck.

E) the relentless self sabotage is very useful.

Whoever wins this election, we will have to intensify our fight. The issue is now out in the open and going mainstream, so we may have a chance for a fairer fight now.

All it needs is questions and answers. Or non-answers. Or avoiding being questioned. Or refusing a platform. Or declining to comment.

Now people have the confidence to ask and the knowledge to understand, I can't see how the wheels won't just fly off.

I think we are all struggling, trying to weigh up which is the least terrible option. I spoiled my ballot last time, but this time I will vote.
Choices are Labour, Tory, Plaid. It will be a close shave between Labour and Tory, only a few hundred votes between them last time. I won’t vote Labour. I usually vote Green/Plaid.
So Plaid, or Tory.

I am more woman than European.

Sadly this election has boiled down to that purely for me with the candidates I may choose from. Damned either way.

HOW has it come to this, when women are 51% of the population ? How can every party be so disastrous for us ?
Jo Swinson is a traitor to her sex. She is like a student, not a Party Leader.
Then there is creepy Corbyn, (like a pp I have never forgotten the pic of him with an arm around the bully of a women’s officer). Anti-semitism, misogyny.
I don’t know what to say about Boris.

What an absolute shower.

Oh look Datun, your F word has been erased.

Are MNHQ - Mumsnet HQ of all people, Mumsnet the sweary site - really now erasing the word Fuck??????????

Has anyone warned the people on the sweary thread????

When someone referenced F word I assumed someone had been referred to as female and they objected!

Really they’ve deleted Fuck?

What the fuck @MNHQ?

Sorry, I misdirected my last comment. It was for SingingLily, not the OP.

Really they’ve deleted Fuck?

IKR?

When all I said was

It's not discriminatory to keep a late transitioning male from occupying the cubicle next to my 13-year-old niece when both of them trying on the same 'angel' teen bra.

I now feel compelled to add that wasn't it one of the Marks & Spencer online lingerie section reviews from a man, who called himself a man, who reviewed the teenage training bra?

I mean, that's the sort of thing I was referring to in my post above.

It's always useful to have the opportunity to further explain, rather than just allow use of the word fucking to do it for me, of course.

Always useful.

there are some very gutsy women in Labour who will not allow trans ideology bs to gain any more traction.

REALLY??WHERE?? WHO? ?
As far as I can make out Labour women are universally namby pamby and have been for years!
A lot of people this election are spoiling ballots. Some because of the gender thing, some because of anti semitism, some on the Right because of Johnson.

I think this year might see a record number of spoiled votes.

Yes, where are these supposedly gutsy women ?
Jess Phillips has a reputation for being gutsy, and not liking Corbyn, but she has been very waffly on gender.

If there are any I'm sure Compliance is at work on chucking them out of the party as we speak.

Good on labour , they have already had my postal vote!!

Jess Philips confuses me. She’s so strong on VAW. She’s on the women & equalities committee - would have heard all that evidence first hand, Karen Ingala Smith etc.
I can only assume she’s thinking greater good, get into power first, keep her powder dry.

No, I think it was the other F word. The one we might use to refer to a man who dresses as a woman for sexual arousal.
A fetishist. Crossdressing as a fetish.
Why can't we talk about it, if our objection to self id is that it gives crossdressing fetishists access to women's spaces?
This is ridiculous. No one is saying that all trans people are fetishists.
And we didn't invent the trans umbrella, Stonewall did.

Yes, where are these supposedly gutsy women?

As far as I know, Caroline Flint is the only Labour woman to speak out against self-ID (and was heckled by some women on her own benches, Angela Eagle being one of them).

That's one woman.

No, I think it was the other F word. The one we might use to refer to a man who dresses as a woman for sexual arousal.

Oh. I think you're right. Although I'm sure I said fucking as well. Just to confuse matters.

Well if there is a genuine debate within the LP it would be better not to put out manifesto and other statements. But I don’t believe for one minute that GC women are not being bullied and shut up about this.

Yes, where are these supposedly gutsy women?

They mean the gutsy women in the clause five meeting who advocated and managed to get enough support for the single sex manifesto promise.

I know many of us think too little too late - but those women fought hard for that and will continue to fight.

We need to remember that Labour policy is not made by MPs.

And that's my devil's advocating done for the day!

This is ridiculous. No one is saying that all trans people are fetishists.

Well it would appear that the person who reported it thinks so. Perhaps they think it applies to everybody who is a late transitioner?