Posie Parker. For women and children. I adore her.

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That's all.

My favourite bit of it was when his eyes almost popped out of his head at her audacity when she said that she simply didn't believe TWAW.

We are not going to be manipulated into forming cliques. You are not going to succeed in playing prominent GC women off against each other. All that this repeated and very tedious behavior is doing is strengthening the support that women here have for any woman challenging trans dogma.

The pushback is well and truly underway and will contain no matter how many attempts to derail it are made.

so you like PP but not the organisers of WPUK, Julie Bindel, Kathleen Stock and Jean Hatchett Speaks volumes!

I've supported all these people. Been to see them talk and given money.

I've also seen one of them act like a prat, another have an over the top and unnecessary reaction, a third tried to be authoritarian, to me.

I still think they're all brilliant.

I can't imagine having the headspace that is constantly testing people as to whether or not they're allowed in your gang.

Have a drink, move on.

Or continue, even. Coffee, please, Christmas is starting far too bloody early for my liking and I have to brave the post office some time this week.

@SapphosRock
You know that I support Posie, as I've said so on this thread. You have no idea if I support Julie Bindel, Kathleen Stock or Jean Hatchet. Stop lying about who I support. It's not either or.
So many posters have tried to explain their views about Posie, but you're having none of it.

I will not hand anyone a stick to beat another woman with

Did you learn that at Radical Feminism School?

I like the bit where she says she only put the posters up because she knew they would protest and then they would be in the ridiculous situation of protesting the dictionary definition of the word 'woman'.

And he doesn't quite get it there because he's not bright enough, but the cogs definitely start turning and he clearly realises that he's been totally outwitted.

It's very satisfying.

Mine was a finishing school, obviously, thus my refined ladylike persona. Totally radfem though because words mean anything that's convenient at the time.

I still think they're all brilliant.

You mean you think women can be imperfect but still have a something valid to say????

You've gone to far now, love.

My favourite bit of it was when his eyes almost popped out of his head at her audacity when she said that she simply didn't believe TWAW.

Indeed. And this is posie's forte. She says the unsayable.

There are other campaigners who are addressing specific issues and why they are unfair or the exemptions, etc. Brilliant campaigners.

Posie addresses the the very basic premise that transwomen are not women.

You get that into the conversation, at the very beginning, and the rest follows.

Butter you addressed the below to me - asking if I was someone Posie had disagreed with and stated it 'wasn't a compliment'.

I asked you way back if you and littlelamp were some of the women that Posie has had disagreements with.

The notable women Posie has had disagreements with include the organisers of WPUK, Julie Bindel, Kathleen Stock and Jean Hatchet.

Who do you think I am and why is it not a compliment?

I finally watched the Triggernometry thing as the result of this thread and it was interesting to note one of the blokes saying that all the women in his life are incredibly pissed off about trans overreach and will go off about it the second they feel safe to do so. That's a man who's never had a feminist thought in his life and he's still noticed the fact that women are bloody angry about all this.

For a lot of women who weren't paying attention and who don't have a background in feminism seeing Posie be openly angry about this stuff on telly will be exactly what they needed to a. become fully aware of what's been happening and b. get angry about it. And that's exactly why so many people want to shut her up.

And he doesn't quite get it there because he's not bright enough, but the cogs definitely start turning and he clearly realises that he's been totally outwitted.

I know!

He must have genuinely thought that because she was pushing back against the trans ideology, he could nail her with the fact that she used that poster. Her 'real' agenda was about to be revealed.

But, even characterising the dictionary definition of a woman as being capable of being part of an agenda had the narrative instantly exposed as misogynist.

How can the dictionary definition of women be wrong or part of an agenda was her line. The subsequent 'it's absurd' was genius.

And it was easy, because it is absurd.

That's posie's strength.

I wonder how many eyes were opened by seeing a very angry man on the telly raving about the definition of the word "woman" being part of an evil agenda to destroy trans people. You honestly couldn't have set up a more perfect "these people are bonkers, mate" moment.

You mean you think women can be imperfect but still have a something valid to say????

I know, right!

I see loads of women at feminist meetings. Tons of whom would not be able to be held up to this forensic scrutiny. Most of them probs. Maybe half of them have not been lifelong feminists. This issue certainly brings all the women to the yard.

Late onset feminism is highly contagious.

Repeating other women's opinions, slurs and lies isn't exactly helping your cause (whatever that cause is, cos it ain't clear from your posts at all).

The posts from Julie Bindel, Kathleen Stock and Jean Hatchet are now slurs and lies?!!

These are brave women who aren't afraid to call PP out on her bullshit. Shame more on this thread aren't brave enough to do the same.

As a side note I kind of understand that once the 'regulars' have stated their position it's hard to go against the grain as you just get shit flung at you constantly - ah well the downside of having principles.

Well it could be that people are worried about going against the grain. For every poster there are about 12 lurkers.

Or it could be that most people just disagree with you.

I've yet to see a thread about Posie where people agree with the attacks made on her. Or, rather, can adequately back them up.

Perhaps try one in AIBU? Fewer FWR regulars should make a difference if you're right.

I've no intention of answering your question SapphosRock
As pp pointed out I'm not interested in giving anyone a stick to beat another woman with.
I have my reasons for my support for various women and they're my reasons. I do not care to make them public.
I have no need or desire to force or coerce anyone into agreeing with me. Unlike you.
Off you go again, putting words into my speech. I didn't ask if you were a notable woman that Posie had disagreed with.
You didn't answer and why should you?
I'm interested in why Posie invokes such bile and hatred in you. I can't find it in me to revile and disparage someone I've never met. So it seemed logical to me that you have personal knowledge of her.
I mean I can't stand Donald Trump but I doubt I'd spend the best part of 5 days desperately trying to get a bunch of strangers to agree with me.

Btw, it wouldn't take 5 days re Trump, 10 minutes would be top whack!!

Any minute now with 'I've had 485 PMs from people who agree but are too scared to say so'.

Can I get a fish when it happens?

Well if they're too scared to say so, all it does is show why people like Posie are important.

it was interesting to note one of the blokes saying that all the women in his life are incredibly pissed off about trans overreach and will go off about it the second they feel safe to do so. That's a man who's never had a feminist thought in his life and he's still noticed the fact that women are bloody angry about all this.

Yes, that stood out for me too. "when they felt safe to do so" is so telling. 1)women are angry about this, but feel silenced and unsafe speaking about it, and, 2) Posie made them (and a lot of others) think about it.

Posie is brave, honest, pragmatic, caring, impulsive, straight-talking - and she gets to an audience that feminist academic types (who I also admire immensely) just don't reach.

Anyone who thinks feminist academic types alone can win this for women (and by win, I mean retain women's sex-based rights) just isn't paying attention. TRA tendrils are everywhere - in all our institutions. IMO we need to be realistic - we need a multi-faceted approach. The Kathleen Stocks, the Jean Hatchets, the Janice Turners, etc and the Glinners, Harrys, Jonathan Bests etc and posie parker, Julia Long, Venice Allen, et al - we need them all.

There is an existential threat to women's rights, children's health and safety, academic freedom and freedom of speech. It's not just a feminist issue anymore.

Could do Datun although I already appear to have wasted an awful lot of oxygen on someone I despise.

Not quite sure how that happened.

Might go and meditate now. Or shave my armpits.

I dunno that fish are allowed but you can have a pombear?