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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Posie Parker. For women and children. I adore her.

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Backinthecloset123 · 30/11/2019 06:31

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Datun · 01/12/2019 18:22

But the argument is completely lacking in logic anyway. No one was talking about giving votes to women, or banning slavery, or abolishing the death penalty. Until the day they were. And what brings these things into the public consciousness is people making their voices heard.

Exactly.

And to bring it back to the opening post, that's why Posie is so important. She blows massive hole through the entire, artificial edifice.

Datun · 01/12/2019 18:42

Lamahaha

Ugh. This is why she points out quite how many men who identify as women are autogynephiles.

vesuvia · 01/12/2019 18:45

SapphosRock wrote "As per the law trans women are legally considered to be women. As much as we can argue it's legal fiction, it's the law and the law isn't going to change."

In the UK, only transwomen who have a Gender Recognition Certificate are legally considered to be women.

Most transwomen in the UK do not have a Gender Recognition Certificate.

iamright17 · 01/12/2019 19:45

Who do you save?
The trans identifying child?
The sibling who is not coping?
The dad who wants to kill himself?
The mum who has to try and hold it all together?

This is what a family is going through. Anyone who can’t see the family devastation needs to listen. This is not about one person. I wish this wasn’t a family thing and the Dysphoric child would have all the attention but it’s not. The other family members are equally distressed and distraught. I really don’t get why someone would not want to hear the true consequences of the trans ideology. And yes you can tell me to get over it as it is not my life but that is not how I brought up my kids. We are a unit and our emotions, behaviour cannot be separated. If you are selfish then you will see this as the right of the child to do them. I hate selfishness.

theflushedzebra · 01/12/2019 20:07

In the UK, only transwomen who have a Gender Recognition Certificate are legally considered to be women.

This is a really important point, that sapphos appears to be skirting over.

When the GRA 2004 came in - and it was snuck in through the back door - and I quote - "we managed to get the whole thing through without anyone throwing a fit in the press" - which speaks volumes in itself. NONE of us knew about this. Except maybe Julie Bindel, and a v few others.

I seem to remember in 2004 I was pregnant, and then giving birth to a baby. This massively important change in the law all happened on the quiet.

When the GRA came in it was sold as "a help to a very tiny group of people diagnosed with severe gender dysphoria, to help them live their lives" - it was estimated that around 5000 adults would be granted a GRC.

Now - 15 yrs on - around 5000 people have a GRC. So the Law seemed to have served it's purpose.

But suddenly - it's not enough - that number is being touted as a failure of the Act. "Only 5000 people have managed to get a GRC", the TRAs say. "We must be able to self-identify" they say. With no thought or care on the impact to women - that any male being able to be legally recognised as female might be a bit of a problem.

Women are gaslighted. Women are told their fear of biological males, with penises, in spaces where they are vulnerable, or in a state of undress, is groundless. Paris Lees compared it to a "fear of escalators."

Women are accused of being as bad as white Americans who wanted white segregation prior the civil rights movement in the US in the 60s - as though women who want to preserve single sex spaces for all females - regardless of colour/religion/sexuality - but just based on the good old basis of biological sex - are "as bad as racists" - despite biological sex being a legally protected characteristic in the UK.

It's just a disgrace. I would call on ALL women to stand up and speak out on this abusive gaslighting over our rights in law.

Coyoacan · 01/12/2019 20:39

It's interesting that for Sappho, man-made laws are inmutable but the laws of nature can be changed at a whim.

SapphosRock · 01/12/2019 21:40

Hilarious. If the tide is about to turn re the GRA then why not take it up with your MP?
Perhaps send them a Posie Parker video - I'm sure as soon as they see her they will Immediately be persuaded to campaign to repeal the GRA. Or perhaps not Hmm

theflushedzebra · 01/12/2019 21:43

Not sure who you're talking to there, Sapphos. What's hilarious about women talking about the loss of their rights?

SapphosRock · 01/12/2019 21:50

For all the supposed support of Posie Parker on here I bet nobody would ever actually email a video of her to their MP. Her arguments are too far right of right wing to ever be taken seriously.

littlbrowndog · 01/12/2019 21:52

I would sapphos

Why not

theflushedzebra · 01/12/2019 21:52

What's right wing about women having sex based rights?

littlbrowndog · 01/12/2019 21:53

What would he do to me

Stone me or tell the police on me

He just an mp not a god or something

SapphosRock · 01/12/2019 21:55

Cool do it littlbrowndog and let me know his reply. If it's positive then I promise to eat my hat.

theflushedzebra · 01/12/2019 21:55

You haven't explained what is hilarious about women talking about their rights, Sapphos - or who you addressed that comment to?

isabellerossignol · 01/12/2019 21:55

Hilarious. If the tide is about to turn re the GRA then why not take it up with your MP?

I bet on a personal level my MP would love to see the GRA repealed, because he is very very conservative in outlook. But primarily his interest is in money, so there would realistically have to be a financial element to really pique his interest...

isabellerossignol · 01/12/2019 21:56

My MP would consider Posie Parker to be a leftie...

littlbrowndog · 01/12/2019 21:57

Ok

But why you saying this stuff

Why would my mp be arsed if I was right wing or left wing.

He’s my mp

His job is to represent all his constituents not just the few

Datun · 01/12/2019 22:01

Not sure who you're talking to there, Sapphos

Perhaps Sapphos is talking to all their radical feminist mates?

Datun · 01/12/2019 22:03

For all the supposed support of Posie Parker on here I bet nobody would ever actually email a video of her to their MP. Her arguments are too far right of right wing to ever be taken seriously.

You're kidding right? You do realise, don't you that, um, MPs can be right wing? 😄

theflushedzebra · 01/12/2019 22:03

You're probably right datun - all those "radical feminist mates" that call women "terfs" perhaps? just a wild guess.

Datun · 01/12/2019 22:06

I'm still wondering, sapphos, exactly what criteria you think a man should fulfil in order to be considered a woman? It's a question that you haven't been able to answer so far.

theflushedzebra · 01/12/2019 22:11

I'm not sure whether it's right wing, or the left wing, who consider women's rights to be "hilarious" at the moment.

Traditionally the LW gave more credence to women's rights than the RW - but how things change. Now it's the tories who are the only party who don't have "gender self identity" written into their manifesto.

SapphosRock · 01/12/2019 22:14

Datun I replied upthread. It's impossible to change biological sex.

I'm not familiar with the exact criteria of the gender recognition panel and have no opinion on it really other than holding a GRC should not trump biological sex.

I know I keep banging on about these exemptions but they are actually being discussed in parliament, Labour has promised to uphold and strengthen them. Pressuring MPs to keep these exemptions is actually going to make a difference. I know it seems boring and dull compared with Posie's angry, sweary videos but it's the only way I can see of getting the message through.

theflushedzebra · 01/12/2019 22:20

about these exemptions but they are actually being discussed in parliament, Labour has promised to uphold and strengthen them.

I'm not falling for it.

Labour think TWAW - they have made it clear that the "singe sex spaces" under their govt will include transwomen - because TWAW.

They won't strengthen the EA for women - they will make it impossible for women's spaces to discriminate against transwomen.

theflushedzebra · 01/12/2019 22:23

What did you find hilarious about women talking about uphoding their rights, sapphos?