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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Posie Parker. For women and children. I adore her.

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Backinthecloset123 · 30/11/2019 06:31

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littlbrowndog · 01/12/2019 14:15

Same as me rufus. The awesome kind 🤓🤓

midcenturylegs · 01/12/2019 14:25

Rufus I had no idea there was such test. But I've just found one and apparently I am a Marxist feminist followed closely by that of the radical type. Which is rubbish because my views are fairly mild I think.

I like PP, her accent does remind me of the Queen in the lates series of the Crown so she comes across as very striking (?!) given the language she uses.

BickerinBrattle · 01/12/2019 14:52

Just a reminder that PP spoke in the US and Canada where in fact very young children ARE being put on puberty blockers and young teens ARE being given surgery — in the US mastectomies on girls as young as 13, at age 15 without parents permission .

And in the US, children in care are disproportionately being treated at the gender clinics continually opening.

This is medicine gone rogue.

ResistSexism · 01/12/2019 15:04

No minor in the UK would ever be given gender reassignment surgery so another pointless argument.

There is nothing to stop parents seeking treatment elsewhere, AFAIK.

Susie Green of Mermaids took her 15 year old to Thailand for GRS as a 16th birthday present. She speaks publicly about this. Mermaids are an influential lobby group. Nobody in power seems to care, which I find astonishing.

More power to Posie for not shutting up.

isabellerossignol · 01/12/2019 15:08

The GRC absolutely can be repealed, and in my opinion it should be. When it was passed it was supposed to be to alleviate the suffering of a miniscule number of people, so it went unnoticed or anyone wh did notice it didn't much mind.

But it turned out to be a gateway piece of legislation that is now seeing women lose rights and everyone lose freedom of speech. And it serves no purpose now that gay marriage is legal. So repealing it should really be the aim of anyone who cares about freedom of speech or women's safety.

midcenturylegs · 01/12/2019 15:19

Displaying my ignorance (and yes I could search for information on the internet but I'd rather here the truth spoken here) because I wasn't around in these parts when it happened, but what was the initial reason for the GRC? From what I've gathered it was to enable legitimate same-sex partnership?

midcenturylegs · 01/12/2019 15:19

*hear not here

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 01/12/2019 15:35

little 😎

midcentury when i didnt 8 think i came out equal amounts of rad and lib and then a whole mix of everything else 😀

Coyoacan · 01/12/2019 15:51

anger serves no useful purpose whatsoever

I'm a bit late on this part of the discussion, but anger has saved my life on more than one occasion. Anger is a very, very useful emotion.

LangCleg · 01/12/2019 15:52

midcentury - Christine Goodwin (MTF transperson) took the UK to the ECHR because Christine wanted to have the same pension age as women. Plus same sex marriage wasn't legal.

SapphosRock · 01/12/2019 16:22

The GRC absolutely can be repealed, and in my opinion it should be.

Point me to any political party's manifesto where there is suggestions of the GRA being repealed? None are even hinting at it. I can't even name one politician who has suggested it?

It's fine to hold the opinion it should be repealed but there is no way it's actually going to happen so making angry videos about it is a pointless waste of energy imo.

TruthOnTrial · 01/12/2019 16:25

GRA is here to stay whether we like it or not so there needs to be a

Well you can't actually say that. Unless you are all powerful Grin. Are you all powerful omnipotent masquerading as a regular on MN?

clitherow · 01/12/2019 16:28

So, fwiw I think that one of the problems with the promotion of irrational ideologies that promote things that are on the borderline of being acceptable by what used to be called the 'mainstream' is the psychological effect that it has on some people.

People who have felt themselves to be intellectually inferior and even morally looked down upon suddenly see the rationality and perhaps even the self-assuredness of those in that mainstream under attack. They suddenly gain the confidence to put forward arguments that they cannot support either logically and scientifically because they feel that the tide has turned in their favour. They can do this because even governments and universities are promoting ideas and policies that cannot be supported by logic or science. This gives us the spectacle of legal counsel being paid to humiliate themselves in trying to defend the bullying and irrational actions of public bodies like police forces.

When someone like Posie then has great success in ridiculing these irrational and ridiculous ideas - like it is possible to change sex - then this enrages some of these poor people who, largely unconsciously, are looking for targets on which to exercise their pent-up rage.

Perhaps unfortunately for Posie, she is attractive, open, warm, funny and engaging with an apparently happy life. This makes her ridicule of this irrational wave of madness all the more potent. This then makes her a target for people on forums like this.

TruthOnTrial · 01/12/2019 16:29

Whats your issue with 'angry'

Don't you like angry women, simply because they get angry?

Whats the matter with her getting angry and expressing that. You seem to be angry at her being angry?!? Confused much Confused

She's not exactly out of control or inciting anything she's just expressing anger.

Last I checked freedom of speech still literally existed, despite all the attempts to shut it down, all the threats and deletions

Sunkisses · 01/12/2019 16:40

@Datun said it best earlier... If you are not angry, you are not paying attention. I think Posie's best strength is that she is also as funny as fuck. She is witty, clever and smart. Same with Venice Allan. They were my favourite people on Facebook. Don't agree with them on everything, but my goodness are they thought provoking. The most thought provoking women I have ever come across.

Re the right wing bloke (who I'd never heard of, and still cannot remember his name). Posie is a phenomenally busy mother of FOUR kids. She is also running Standing for Women and sending 1000s of t-shirts and hoodies all over the world! She is a whirlwind. So, she did a cursory 5 mins of research on him. Looked at a few of his films. He seemed a run of the mill MRA type. She speaks to all sorts - engaging new audiences. Do you think she really enjoyed him questioning whether she looked a 'bit Jewish' after she left? And 'too old to f*ck" or whatever it was he said? She realises it was a mistake, wished she'd done more research on him. Cut the woman some slack! Have you never fucked up?

TruthOnTrial · 01/12/2019 16:48

I think its good he's been outed for what he is.

His revolting mysogynistic comments about PP have made it clear who he is.

Lets bring it all out of the woodwork and see people for who they really are and make our minds up about that, and legislate against any further harm.

He's made statements that demonstrate anti-Semitism, ageism and sexism. A lovely trio of condemnation on him.

First and foremost Do.No.Harm.

Doctors remember your oaths.

Lamahaha · 01/12/2019 17:17

There is no way the GRA will ever be repealed so it's fighting a losing battle. It's been law for about 15 years now.

Sorry @SapphosRock but you don't get to predict the future. The GRA was sneaked in under cover of public ignorance. The public is waking up now and the outrage at its serious implications will be loud.

As for this nonsense about her platforming a far right activist, some posters on here are really drawing attention to him. I have no idea who this person is, never saw that interview. The first I heard of it was when PP apologised on Facebook. If anyone is promoting him, it's those people slamming PP for promoting him.
He is nobody. Really.

I never saw

Datun · 01/12/2019 17:31

2. Trans women are sacrificing their male privilege by actively identifying with the oppressed class and even seeking to share their oppression.

Um, this isn't the point of view of anyone with an ounce of analysis, much less a feminist, and never a radical feminist.

Being able to call the police on someone for wrongthink, taking the place of a woman on an all women shortlist, beating them at sport, taking over their spaces, having them removed from hospital wards if they object to your presence, redefining the meaning of the word lesbian, sex and woman is so far from being oppressed, it's unhinged to even think it.

You might want to say it, but you can't possibly think it.

And in terms of your odd denial that laws can be changed, how do you think feminism motivates itself?

Rape laws, drinking laws, property laws, pay laws, maternity laws, education laws.

All of them changed by women.

Do you know how long it took to make rape within marriage illegal? Fifteen years.

So your assertion that no politician is thinking of it so it won't happen lacks a distinct awareness of how these things actually occur.

And we have heard it from several sources that politicians are very concerned about the entire issue. They are just having trouble locating their spine.

Which is about to change, as critical mass is reached.

Datun · 01/12/2019 17:33

even seeking to share their oppression.

I'm sorry, but dear Lord. It's not fucking oppression, if you are actively seeking it out!!

Strewth.

TruthOnTrial · 01/12/2019 17:36

People who seek out oppression are not well. I am sorry, but you are not of healthy mind to actively seek out oppression.

Anyone doing this needs to actively seek out therapy.

TruthOnTrial · 01/12/2019 17:40

PP moved the open gender toilet sign to the mens Grin

It makes much more sense.

iamright17 · 01/12/2019 18:10

I believe my child actively seeks out oppression and sees this as a norm. When things are good my child cannot believe it and waits for someone to spoil his happiness. The irony is feeling oppressed is the thing that gives comfort. This oppression is a result of peer bullying and was ongoing for 5 years.

Datun · 01/12/2019 18:13

iamright17

It's a damaging ideology. It rewards people for being unhappy.

A parents role is to provide a healthy and happy environment. I can't imagine the conflict you're going through. X

isabellerossignol · 01/12/2019 18:14

Point me to any political party's manifesto where there is suggestions of the GRA being repealed? None are even hinting at it. I can't even name one politician who has suggested it?

It's fine to hold the opinion it should be repealed but there is no way it's actually going to happen so making angry videos about it is a pointless waste of energy imo.

I don't think anyone is suggesting it at the moment but if they think there are votes to be had, who knows?

But the argument is completely lacking in logic anyway. No one was talking about giving votes to women, or banning slavery, or abolishing the death penalty. Until the day they were. And what brings these things into the public consciousness is people making their voices heard.

Lamahaha · 01/12/2019 18:18

This is the kind of crap Posie gets.

Posie Parker. For women and children. I adore her.