Posie Parker. For women and children. I adore her.

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That's all.

The 'hilarious' comment was to the poster that claimed I said the laws of nature can be changed at a whim. I'd actually said the exact opposite.

What's hilarious about it? I like a good laugh, do share.

She said: It's interesting that for Sappho, man-made laws are inmutable but the laws of nature can be changed at a whim.

And you replied: Hilarious. If the tide is about to turn re the GRA then why not take it up with your MP?

Do share the joke.

Sarcasm mate.

Is it that women trying to desperately cling on to their hard won rights - is hilarious to you?

I don't see the sarcasm - and I love a bit sarcasm!

Sarcasm generally means the opposite - so it's NOT hilarious?

Good, good... I don't find women having to fight tooth and nail to maintain their rights that funny either.

There appears to be two radical feminist arguments re the GRA:

1. Trans women are using their male privilege to masquerade as the oppressed class and trample over women's rights

2. Trans women are sacrificing their male privilege by actively identifying with the oppressed class and even seeking to share their oppression.

Neither of these reflect a Radical Feminist argument.

I noticed a lot of people here, on Facebook, and twitter, self identify.

Sometimes it takes a while for the mask to drop, it dropped at 22.35 Sarcasm mate
Thought you weren't posting with good intent, now I know that you aren't.

For all the supposed support of Posie Parker on here I bet nobody would ever actually email a video of her to their MP. Her arguments are too far right of right wing to ever be taken seriously.

Srsly? The "Feminists are Nazis" argument from a self IDd Radical Feminist? Your mask is well and truly gone with that one.

Sappho, i'm really struggling to understand how you can assert so vehemently that the GRC should remain, without understanding exactly what it provides for?

You're unfamiliar with the criteria required for a gender recognition certificate, provided by the gender recognition act???

This is ridiculous. You are admitting you are unfamiliar with the process of its consequences, and yet you appear to support it.

And of course the single sex exemptions should be beefed up and invoked. That doesn't stop Posie Parker beaming the definition of the word woman on a skyscraper, to make people understand what the hell is it stake here.

Beefing up the exemptions should be an interim solution, in my opinion. With the repealing of the act happening subsequently.

There is no criteria a man can fulfil to become a woman. And given that it is entirely reliant on what the person says himself, any man can do it. It's completely subjective. There is no verification, no identification, nothing.

I could spend half an hour talking to any man on the planet and it would be sufficient time to give him enough information to get a GRC. Under the current rules. Because all it involves is words.

This was posted on another thread and it resonated with me so I wrote it down word for word. I don't remember the poster and I wish I'd taken note of their name.
At what objective, concrete, irrefutable point does a "male who identifies as female" come out of the high risk class of male and enter into the low risk class of female
@SapphosRock.

Sappho could you please explain which of PP's arguments you believe are right wing and on what basis.

I bet you can't.

Just back on to Posie for a minute, but I have just finished watching her interview with Benjamin Boyce, which she recorded after the Triggernometry video. Not sure if it has been mentioned here, but I wasn’t aware of it.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=VE-uGHTb5k8

No country for opinionated women - is perfect!

"At what point did you change from a force of nurture to a force of nature" - just too perfect!

Great stuff!

Her arguments are too far right of right wing to ever be taken seriously.

You do understand that genderism and its progenitor, queer theory, are Thatcherism on steroids, don't you? I mean, you're a bit wobbly on radical feminism, so I thought I'd check.

"No such thing as society" - that is genderism. It's a belief system that considers only an individual sense of self has any meaning. Material reality is not only irrelevant, but doesn't even exist. Cui bono from such a structures-of-power-denying ideology, do you think?

Could it be those who are in possession of structural power already? Possibly?

In comparison to genderism, Posie is a bloody socialist.

Labour has promised to uphold and strengthen them.

And I note that you studiously ignored me when I explained, in fairly small words, how this is unworkable. I'll repeat, just in case you missed it:

1. Single sex services/spaces are permitted discrimination in two ways where trans is concerned - a) by sex (if they don't have a GRC) and b) by gender reassignment (if they do have a GRC). The bar for B is much higher than the bar for A, so if you introduce self-ID, you are likely to increase the number of GRC holders and therefore dilute the exemptions, even though you promise to keep them.

2. How is applying the exemptions to be made workable? You can't ask to see a GRC on privacy grounds and the DBS procedure (when needed) is highly opaque wrt to trans people. Also, identity documents are self-ID already (driving licence, passport, etc) so how will providers develop workable policies on the basis of excluding via A or B as above if they have no means to identify groups?

You seem very complacent about this: almost as though you already know it's a nonsense.

Care to respond?

They are casting their problems at society. And, you know, there's no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look after themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then, also, to look after our neighbours." – in an interview in Women's Own in 1987
Thatcher's full quote .

The Benjamin Boyce interview is fascinating because posie talks aout questioning Sarah McBride - which she was horribly criticised for.

I watched that video - and I saw Sarah smiling at their questions. There's a word for that - "duper's delights". Sarah wasn't scared, or intimidated by the women asking questions - Sarah was smiling.

I see a distinct difference between the nasty angry poster amd PP on that screen shot Lamahaha

It's hilarious that anyone thinks PP is the nasty angry one, yet despite the blstant abuse PP just keeps on asserting the realities.

She could give zero fucks if she upsets you sappho or anyone else. Good for her.

Cell....el....e.......bration!!! 🎶

Three hundred and eleven thousand views.

Read it and weep.

Kool and the Gang! Practically Perfect in every way!

(I have a massive crush on PP, but I think I hide it well).

Posie Parker was banned from Women’s Place UK: https://www.theposieparker.com/statement-about-tweets-and-wpuk

The idea that a woman cannot be a radical feminist unless she supports Posie Parker is ridiculous and offensive - unless you claim the organisers of WPUK were not acting in good faith?! PP isn't helping the cause and WPUK know this. Surprised so many others can't see it.

It’s fine to hold the opinion the GRA should be repealed. Many rad fems float ideas that are radical. Julie Bindel claims women shouldn’t wear makeup, shave their legs and they should engage in political lesbianism. Nice ideas but I can’t see them gaining traction.

Repealing the GRA would drive gender reassignment underground, people would travel abroad for illegal operations, it would be a logistical nightmare for those who have already transitioned and need lifelong medication. If you ask the average woman on the street she doesn’t want to repeal the GRA and that is why it’s not on any political agenda.

The issues that affect the average woman are whether the person performing her smear test will actually be female. If she gets sexually assaulted she needs assurances she will not have to come into contact with anyone male bodied. She can participate in sport without competing with a trans woman with a physical advantage. This is the stuff that gains traction and support - not repealing the GRA.

As Rupert said earlier there are many ways to skin a cat (no calls to the RSPCA please) and I don’t think PP is going about it the right way. As I said earlier her delivery is too controversial and her links with the neo Nazi MRA unforgivable.

LangCleg I completely agree the current process for upholding the EA exemptions is flimsy which is why it needs to be formalised and strengthened.

If you ask the average woman on the street she doesn’t want to repeal the GRA and that is why it’s not on any political agenda.

An awful lot of people don't even know that it exists in the first place, so they're hardly likely to want it repealed. Almost everyone I have ever talked to about the GRA has been shocked that it exists and angry that it was pushed through without publicity.

Repealing the GRA would drive gender reassignment underground, people would travel abroad for illegal operations, it would be a logistical nightmare for those who have already transitioned and need lifelong medication.

Why would it do any of these things? Repealing the act wouldn't mean people are suddenly unable to access medication. It would just mean that they can't have a false birth certificate and lie to everyone.

The issues that affect the average woman are whether the person performing her smear test will actually be female. If she gets sexually assaulted she needs assurances she will not have to come into contact with anyone male bodied. She can participate in sport without competing with a trans woman with a physical advantage. This is the stuff that gains traction and support - not repealing the GRA.

Most people are completely gobsmacked that you can change passports and birth that. It's a safeguarding and security nightmare.

If someone's legal sex is female, it's exceptionally difficult to exclude them on the basis of their biological sex. Yes the exemptions can be invoked, and it can be done.

But far easier to just make changing sex legally, completely impossible. What is the point? Pronouns and courtesy is all that's needed.