Posie Parker. For women and children. I adore her.

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That's all.

I think it's pretty clear that Saphos does not have a coherent position. whether they understand that or not

Single sex services/spaces are permitted discrimination in two ways where trans is concerned - a) by sex (if they don't have a GRC) and b) by gender reassignment (if they do have a GRC). The bar for B is much higher than the bar for A, so if you introduce self-ID, you are likely to increase the number of GRC holders and therefore dilute the exemptions, even though you promise to keep them.

I quoted an example of the point Langcleg made in the thread about transmen. A sauna for gay men barred a trans man. When it emerged that he had a GRC, they apologised and Tower Hamlets council confirmed the sauna was legally able to apply the ‘no trans men without a GRC’ rule. Contrast this with Leeds and Cambridge, two councils that have been actively hostile to those who want to preserve single sex spaces. Technically, we have national legislation. In reality, it is not being being implemented consistently.

Sorry LangCleg that your post was deleted for supporting me. How odd! I also thought it was playground antics and the poster was just waiting for the gotcha.

And Bovary too. Sorry for your deletion.

Sorry LangCleg that your post was deleted

That was a quite astonishing decision by MNHQ

Helping parents indeed

If Willis doesn't like a post Willis gets it deleted.

Ah, gotcha. You think that law protecting XX persons should be based on an honour system for XY persons (when XY persons are the oppressor class and XX persons the oppressed class).

This is the Jane Fay school of altruistic patriarchy 😊

iamright17 - all's good darling. No need to apologise.

It doesn't matter who or what PP is, she is shouting loud and clear for women's rights to safe spaces and the protection of children physically and emotionally.

I wonder about those who could argue against that
.

Although shes not identifying as a fem, I am not understanding how anyone can argue against her and still claim to be a fem.

There's a lot of goady stuff around.

I think it shows that some are very scared.

Also, what rot that laws cant be changed. Undermines an argument wholesale if the basics can't be grasped.

This is the Jane Fay school of altruistic patriarchy

If Willis doesn't like a post Willis gets it deleted
Those deletions were nothing to do with me, so nice try.
I'm assuming they went for a reason, I didn't even see them.

Posie is going global. The trigonometry video has had a positive effect and she is inundated with people emailing her. She is branching out.

Go Posie!

How does that fit in with radical feminism?

There appears to be two radical feminist arguments re the GRA:

1. Trans women are using their male privilege to masquerade as the oppressed class and trample over women's rights

1. Trans women are sacrificing their male privilege by actively identifying with the oppressed class and even seeking to share their oppression.

In reality both scenarios can true, depending on the individual transgender person.

My own conclusion is that body dysphoria is real, but the ability to change biological sex is not. The GRA is here to stay whether we like it or not so there needs to be a workable solution to minimise the impact on women.

The exemptions are exactly this - exemptions. Trans women are legal women on paper BUT cannot expect to be classed as the female sex in every scenario because they're not.

Whatever the reasons - I didn't see all the posts - there is certainly an interesting pattern of deletions on this thread. Go carefully everyone, or at least go knowingly.

attacking someone’s appearance is not ok, focusing on whether someone looks ‘womanly enough’ is incredibly anti-woman. As it is something women themselves have faced and tried to eliminate for generations

Sappho's criticism was that PP is too womanly- not that she wasn't "womanly enough". Sappho hasn't given any guidance on what is acceptable clothing for women.

Iamright

Please don’t apologize at all, it was absolutely not your fault! I can’t even imagine what a difficult time you are going through and your distress is clear. I wish you all the best and hope you find the strength to get through this. Certain contributions to this thread speak volumes about those making them.....

2. Trans women are sacrificing their male privilege by actively identifying with the oppressed class and even seeking to share their oppression.

Methinks you may need to revise your understanding of radical feminism. Perhaps starting with the basics?!

(I'm not radical feminist myself. I'm a Marxist-come-socialist feminist.)

Sorry I meant Sappho hasn't given any guidance on what she thinks is acceptable clothing for women. Although we know she doesn't like 1950s styles.

The first time I saw Posie speak was on Sky news with Dr Harrop, I was delighted to see a woman speaking out about truthful biological facts, I thought she was funny and factual. I loved the fact that Harrop was struggling to keep his temper.
As for this nonsense about her platforming a far right activist, some posters on here are really drawing attention to him.
Posie admitted that it was her fault for not doing her research properly. But for some of you an apology is not enough, you seem to want everyone here to denounce Posie, well I have no intentions of doing that.
She must be rattling some cages for the amount of vitriol she's attracting. I'll carry on buying her hoodies, stickers and say all power to Posie.

I'm not radical feminist myself

Me either.

(What you normally get here is a howl of 'you don't have to identify as one, you just are one (go and DIAF) and you don't get to tell me what to call you.....' said with absolutely no sense of irony whatsoever, or any understanding of why you then fall about laughing.)

And yet Sappho thinks it's anti-woman of PP to 'attack' a TW's appearance

Where did I say that?

Ive got no idea what sort of feminist i am

Ive tried the online test thingy and that was no help