Posie Parker. For women and children. I adore her.

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That's all.

do you really think that when my child told me I was not supportive of their distress?Do you really think I said it is a cult?

I did say to my child it is a cult. Am I wrong?

Well, that's a bit of a contradiction.

I’m saying that when posie becomes angry, she does become unfocused, I respect her more when she is clear and bright and think it’s unfortunate she allows anger to take over. She’d engage more people if she didn’t.

But I don't see the kind of unfocused, raging anger that you refer to taking over. I've never seen it. Posie' anger, even when fierce and forceful, always remains poised. You don't see her making ugly, distorted faces or shouting at her opponent or jabbing the air. She smiles, she laughs, she even cracks jokes, she delivers brilliant one-liners that shocks them into silence. Yes, she drops the occasional F-bomb but come on. That's hardly shocking in this day and age. Yes, her words are often emotion-laden. But when we are talking about what is done to children in the name if "being their true selves", well I'd say a lot of emotion is justified. If you talk about such matters in a dry, rational, unemotional voice, you're a robot not a human being.
But if course, being emotional is so very female, isn't it! Not allowed. Not male enough.

This.

Because I don't care if she's sufficiently nice. I don't care if she and I are simpatico. I don't care to whom she speaks. I don't care which other feminists she's feuding with. I care what she says and my criteria for approving what she says is putting women and girls ahead of men, regardless of identification

And I especially care that she is standing up for children who are being abused and who will spend the rest of their lives trying to get over it.

Seems to be a racist, misogynistic asshole with delusions of white supremacy. Just like your average TRA in fact

I think that’s a deeply offensive and inconsiderate thing to say actually. To imply that the average person fighting for trans rights is akin to a white supremacist calling for segregation.

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I feel for you, it must be a difficult time. I hope you can find peace.

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Show me a TRA, campaigning for sex segregation, who you consider decent, not sexist and takes women into account.

I hadn’t heard of that obscure white YouTuber before all this. Seems to be a racist, misogynistic asshole with delusions of white supremacy.

Exactly! Posie promoted his podcast and brought him out from obscurity into the public eye. She promoted his channel. Any 'help' she thinks she is doing for women has been cancelled out tenfold by platforming an actual woman hater.

Another reason she will never get my respect is arguments lack nuance, don't acknowledge the GRA or the EA and appear to be based on her own anger.

Take other high profile speakers (eg Julie Bindel). She has made it her life work to protect women from male violence and she covers the whole spectrum of issues affecting women, including the trans debate. Her motivation is clear and she truly cares about women.

Posie's motivations are questionable to say the least, she doesn't identify as a feminist, she doesn't speak about any of the other issues affecting women today, it's just a constant stream of angry anti trans rhetoric delivered Katie Hopkins style to be as controversial as possible.

I consider myself to be a radical feminist yet PP makes me feel defensive of the people she's attacking. It has the opposite effect to the one she's attempting - I don't think whipping up anger and hatred is the way to make progress.

I can imagine more liberal feminists and the general population feel the same.

she doesn't identify as a feminist

So what?

Any 'help' she thinks she is doing for women has been cancelled out tenfold by platforming an actual woman hater.

Nope. Is he on sky news? Being reported in MSM?

Posie's motivations are questionable to say the least

What on earth do you think her motivation is?

Show me a TRA, campaigning for sex segregation, who you consider decent, not sexist and takes women into account.

Funnily enough, I don’t know them all! But fighting for trans rights doesn’t automatically make you a racist sexist. I have trans colleagues who are lovely people.
However if the best we’ve got as a woman’s right activist fighting for these issues is someone as questionable as PP, I dread to think how we come across.

What on earth do you think her motivation is?

A dislike / mistrust of trans people. Feminists are motivated by love for women rather than hate for trans people. Posie has shown no indication that she loves women and seems pretty angry about trans people.

constant stream of angry anti trans rhetoric delivered Katie Hopkins style to be as controversial as possible.

Nope. PP delivers a constant rhetoric which gets right to the nub of ALL the women's rights vs trans rights conflicts; ie a woman is an adult human female.
That is the controversy underpinning the whole trans debate - how can she NOT be controversial?

A dislike / mistrust of trans people.

Ok. And why do you think she mistrusts or dislikes them?

It has the opposite effect to the one she's attempting

The opposite effect on you. I think that most people are able to critically examine her actual ideas and don't particularly care for guilt by association.

Posie's motivations are questionable to say the least

Really? The safeguarding of children is Posie's motivation. Not questionable. I don't care if she calls herself a feminist. She is not obliged to tackle any other issues. She is allowed to be angry. Child safeguarding is being compromised. We should all be angry!

Again, just ignore her if you disagree. Have a go yourself if you can do better.

Any 'help' she thinks she is doing for women has been cancelled out tenfold by platforming an actual woman hater.

That's bollocks, and you have no evidence for it at all. It's pure conjecture. Anyway, posie didn't platform him, he platformed posie. TRA have her banned from Mumsnet, FB and twitter - she's been deplatformed practically everywhere else.

she doesn't identify as a feminist

She doesn't have to. Sh's a woman and a mother - campaigning for women and children.

Half (if not all) the TRA tweeters call themselves feminists, and berate women for "not including transwomen in their feminism" and opine that "feminism is about equality for everyone" (my arse!) - and while "self-identified feminists" are happily giving away women's rights and spaces - then I can't say I blame her.

Nothing posie has ever said or written is anything like the abuse towards women by TRAs - and their memes with guns pointed/hanging women/baseball bats/posing with knives. Does posie post selfies with knives? No, she doesn't.

I have to say, I'm beginning to understand, 100%, why Posey suddenly said she's not a feminist.

The number of people on this thread who are complaining that she is not one, or complaining that she is not feminist enough, or that she shouldn't talk about women's rights if she doesn't identify as one.

she doesn't identify as a feminist

Neither do I. So what? Do I have to keep my mouth shut?

A dislike / mistrust of trans people. Feminists are motivated by love for women rather than hate for trans people. Posie has shown no indication that she loves women and seems pretty angry about trans people.

You've got it a bit wrong. Feminism is a political fight for the liberation and equality of women. It doesn't mean you have to love all women.

She's angry about transactivists erasing women's rights and spaces,, and she's angry about the medicalisation of children.

I think it's time for this.

However if the best we’ve got as a woman’s right activist fighting for these issues is someone as questionable as PP, I dread to think how we come across

She's not all we've got. We had Magdalen Berns, we still have Sarah Philimore, Heather Brunskell Evans, Julie Bindel, Michele Moore, Julia Long, Venice Allen and more. (Apologies for any spelling mistakes.) Posie Parker is just a fantastic woman with a particular skill for clarity.

Sapphos, as a ‘radical feminist,’ you have called PP a ‘scary 1950s housewife’ and now you think she should sit down and shut up because she ‘doesn’t identify as a feminist?’ Tres bizarre

I need hardly add that feminism fights for women as a class - all women - it is not there to fight for biological males who identify as women.

The mutilation of feminism as a political movement - by transacticism -to include "everyone" and promote damaging stuff like "sex work is work" is one of the worst blows to women's rights in my lifetime. The damage to women is incalculable.

Seeing a beardy Lib Dem election candidate say "I'm a feminist" and then calling women "terfs" in the same tweet is breathtaking. Nobody who degrades women as "terfs" is a feminist.

Seeing a beardy Lib Dem election candidate say "I'm a feminist" and then calling women "terfs" in the same tweet is breathtaking. Nobody who degrades women as "terfs" is a feminist

Precisely. It’s bullying and it’s being done by people so woke their teeth ache

Eh what now?

Little the average TRA [not trans person - TRA] does share those characteristics with the person Posie spoke to (NAWPALT).

[this not a general reference to trans people but to TRAs]

TRAs regularly compare Black women to biological males and “If WW accept BW as women they should accept white as women.”

You seem to feel that my pointing this out is offensive and inconsiderate.

This would suggest that your objections here stem not from any concern for black and brown women, they are just a way to discredit Posie.