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Backinthecloset123 · 30/11/2019 06:31

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iamright17 · 01/12/2019 00:12

Mumsnet might delete me a parent but if they do they are no longer allowing what they represent. A mum who wants to protect thier child. Delete me if you wish but remember who you are representing. I am a mum. You may not like my perspective but that does not mean you have to delete me

Datun · 01/12/2019 00:12

iamright17

Painful though I know it must be, your voice is very important in this debate.

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WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 01/12/2019 00:31

I am a mum. You may not like my perspective but that does not mean you have to delete me

I don't get this, sorry. Because you're a mum, any posts you ever say, however offensive (NOT saying what you put was offensive, just going by your logic) should be left to stand?
I'm a mum too.
I assume a lot of other people on MN are as well.

iamright17 · 01/12/2019 00:35

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Butterisbest · 01/12/2019 00:39

Willis, did you actually bother to read iamright17's posts?
The poster has said something that monitors of these threads may decide is offensive. They're asking for understanding and not deletion.

theflushedzebra · 01/12/2019 00:47

Mothers of trans children here are constantly deleted if they don't go along with the mermaids approved affirmation route, and are critical of that route - even though it takes them on a pathway to drugs and surgery, when nobody is even certain of the outcome of this treatment. As confirmed on Newsnight this week.

iamright17 · 01/12/2019 00:47

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theflushedzebra · 01/12/2019 00:52

Wotcha will have your post deleted just for those last two words, iamright17 Sad

theflushedzebra · 01/12/2019 01:00

Hope this is ok, but just in case - your post shouldn't be lost:

iamright17 Sun 01-Dec-19 00:47:45
Yes Wotcha. That is correct. I am a mum and I have a right to express my view. I may not be right but my voice in the trans debate is important. You have just said my voice might be offensive and then said not saying your voice is offensive. This is what we call nippy sweety. Acting like you care but still calling me out.my voice is important in this transgender debate because I am experiencing it. If you are experiencing it the way I am I acknowledge your right to challenge me. Until you have walked in my shoes and experienced what it truly means please be mindful of us parents who actually do know the true consequences. If you do have a child who is going through this and you are affirmative then I wish you well but that is not for me. If you do have a child who is going through this let us know because we will understand. If you are just coming from an ideology perspective with no experience then *

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 01/12/2019 01:00

You have just said my voice might be offensive and then said not saying your voice is offensive.
No, to try and clarify - all I said was that if you (general you) say I'm a mum and my voice shouldn't be deleted (your words) I was asking how far you (general you) take that with an opinion?
I can see why it would be.
I can sympathise with the fact that your child is trans, I'm trying to put myself into your shoes -honest answer I don't know how I'd feel.
As it hasn't happened.
I'd like to think I wouldn't automatically dismiss them coming out as such as being sucked into cults...
However I word this will probably be twisted or whatever, but I do know where you're coming from.

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 01/12/2019 01:03

Wotcha will have your post deleted just for those last two words, iamright17

No I won't Biscuit
If you see as I cross posted I've already replied

theflushedzebra · 01/12/2019 01:04

Oh don't pretend you don't report anything you can on here - datun' post - gone, floral's post - gone. Hmm

iamright17 · 01/12/2019 01:04

No Wotca. You have got me wrong. It is because I am a mum to an ROGD child that I want my voice heard. It is not the same as the universal mum where we all have the same experience. This is totally different and you know that. Stop trying to make this out as a normal maternal experience.

OccasionalKite · 01/12/2019 01:10

Having read the thread - Wotcha, you have progressively dug yourself fully halfway through the entire globe.

Have you no shame?

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 01/12/2019 01:14

Oh don't pretend you don't report anything you can on here

Not pretending I haven't ever reported attacks at all.
I never went anywhere near Floral's post if it was zapped - so if she was it wasn't me.
So must have been someone else.

iamright17 · 01/12/2019 01:18

Ok wotcha do you really think that when my child told me I was not supportive of their distress? Do you really think I said it is a cult? Do you really think I would be so inconsiderate of my child who I love and give every ounce of myself to them that I would dismiss my child? No. I knew that my child was distressed for other reasons but it made sense to them to be seen as someone else. Do you think o have no idea about sexism, internalised homophobia, possible assault, plausible OCD, more likely bullying and rejection. Do you think I am coming to this debate narrow mindedly with no reflection whatsoever. The more I researched, the more I understood. Maybe you could do what did. Spend 2 years plus researching g every perspective. When you have done that maybe you will be able to discuss this from a different viewpoint

Creepster · 01/12/2019 01:22

No, to try and clarify - all I said was that if you (general you) say I'm a mum and my voice shouldn't be deleted (your words) I was asking how far you (general you) take that with an opinion?

The name of your logical fallacy is 'reductio ad absurdum'.

2BthatUnnoticed · 01/12/2019 01:22

Not this bullshit again.

I hadn’t heard of that obscure white YouTuber before all this. Seems to be a racist, misogynistic asshole with delusions of white supremacy. Just like your average TRA in fact - just needs to flip to TWAW and start calling women T**Fs and will fit right in.

TRAs do not GAF about black or brown women. For them to try and discredit PP on this basis is ludicrous.

And I say that as someone who is not PP’s biggest fan FYI.

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 01/12/2019 01:23

Ok wotcha do you really think that when my child told me I was not supportive of their distress?
Of course not, I'm glad you were supportive (like anyone would be, I hope)

Do you really think I said it is a cult?
No, but you've said it on here which is why it's not clear whether you say it to them or not, how does anyone know when they're only going by the words they're reading?

2BthatUnnoticed · 01/12/2019 01:23

— hadn’t refreshed and see thread has moved on - my comment was responding to one further back

2BthatUnnoticed · 01/12/2019 01:27

PSA, we lost a long term poster after a thread eerily reminiscent of this one, be careful

iamright17 · 01/12/2019 01:29

Wotcha I have had posts deleted. Probably because I was offensive, arsey, drunk, desparate, shattered , insomniac, terrified etc. A mum doesn’t have free reign. A mum who is fighting for the truth however should not be deleted as long as they adhere to the guidelines. If I offend, forgive me. I am desperate

2BthatUnnoticed · 01/12/2019 01:30

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WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 01/12/2019 01:31

If I offend, forgive me. I am desperate

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iamright17 · 01/12/2019 01:40

I did say to my child it is a cult. Am I wrong??
I don’t think so. I am the only person who is grounding my child. What would you say? Would you take your child by the hand and get a prescription of drugs and then go to the surgeons and agree that the surgeon can cut off breasts, penis’s and make a hole that is supposed to be a replica of a vagina? When it comes down to this reality would you do it? Do not judge me for fighting