I'm loving Catilyn Jenner but..

[MissMarpletheMurderer]

I think she is funny and sassy and doesn't take herself too seriously. Her dude looks like a lady piece on IACeleb showed her humor.
However tonight she said that it's hard work becoming a women as there is so much more work (James called it women admin) and that she needs to get up an hour earlier now she is a women and can't just shower and go.
Why does this make you a woman. I wash and go, I don't have manicures nor do I wear make up, I do not get up early to get ready but I'm equally a woman. Why should woman equal groomed?

OP's got the screenshots

What is a “proper woman”?

Exactly.
I dunno.
There's no such thing as a "proper" woman.
We're all different.
Am I womaning any less because I don't wear make up?
No.
I'm not.
Which is why it's an interesting topic (in my opinion) for this board.

And probably if it had been posted on another board we wouldn’t have been so ruthlessly monitored and could have stated some biological truths that we don’t get away with on FWR

Surely if what someone was saying was to break talk guidelines it would get taken down regardless of what board it was posted on?
It's not held to a greater esteem on here on regards to whether posts get taken down or not.
Just that FWR is the board that is host to the most transphobia due to the amount of trans discussion, so would stand to reason if what you're saying is under more scrutiny.
It's not in the main boards as much.
(No, I can't be arsed to get into a "define transphobia" or "Where? Report. Mods usually do delete, you know...") not worth it.

trans discussion ≠ transphobia

I’ve only known a few...

But IME trans women ENJOY the whole primp and preen thing. For them it’s a key part of being a woman. I’ve never seen a trans woman whizz to the supermarket in their chicken-cleaning trackies, paint splattered garden shoes and hair scragged into a pony tail with bits sticking out everywhere. I think in some cases it’s like the panda comment, but I do genuinely think there’s a level of enjoyment there that some of us don’t have all the time, or sometimes ever.

I have to say, she’s the first American I’ve seen on IACGMOOH that hasn’t been a dick - very humble, kind and funny. Not THE most convincing female tho.

trans discussion ≠ transphobia

If you say so

But IME trans women ENJOY the whole primp and preen thing. For them it’s a key part of being a woman. I’ve never seen a trans woman whizz to the supermarket in their chicken-cleaning trackies

See, to me. that makes sense.
I mean, I'm not trans. I'm a biological woman. If I'd spent my whole life to date having to or being expected to conform to male societal norms (whatever that's supposed to mean) then I can see why I'd be embracing so called femininity.
As in, wanting my make up done.
Dresses etc

Creepster
OK, yes.
I've read the moderation talk guideline rules before, and the "special" FWR ones as well.
Not getting why you think posts praising transwomen are started here are a problem?
Unless you think transwomen issues even if it comes under a does it make you less feminine to wear make up post shouldn't be allowed?
No, wait, don't bother answering......
The does it make a woman depending on your make up and dress is interesting I think.

Celebrity praise threads belong in Telly addicts, not FWR.
FWR has periodically been flooded with trans praise threads in order to push Feminist issues off the front page.
Is that clear enough for you? Cuz I have more.

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis

I don't think I understand what you mean. This is the womens rights board so I would assume that's why some may think a post praising a random celeb is not relevant... It doesn't relate to feminism.

Celebrity praise threads belong in Telly addicts, not FWR

I don't care about Caitlin Jenner though.
She's just another person to me.
Celebrity praise threads?
Nope, not really, I'm not into them but I am into feminist topics.
Which is why I comment on this one and on this board.

Presumably because whether wearing make up, doing your hair etc makes you a proper woman is a perfectly valid feminist topic?

But the converse of that would be that someone who hasn’t done their hair & makeup isn’t a ‘proper woman’ which is just as nonsensical.

I’ve got very short hair & last wore makeup about 25 years ago. I’m not going to miraculously become a ‘proper woman’ if I grow my hair & buy a lipstick, I did that by growing up with XX chromosomes. And if somebody feels dependent on hair, makeup etc to make them a ‘proper woman’ then where does that leave them when they’re not all dressed up?

Careful WotchaTalkinBoutWillis your transphobia is showing.

willis
Try having a look at the I'm a Celebrity thread in telly addicts. It's absolutely clear that different rules apply here.
IMO this thread was started here using female pronouns for Caitlyn for the purpose of proving how awfully mean those terrible transphobic posters in FWR are about poor victimised trans folk.
OP's got their screenshots and she happy.

Should have said they're happy.

@WotchaTalkinBoutWillis
I think that you have zero interest in Feminism. You have a great interest in telling many women here that they are transphobic though. You also seem have a great interest in being extremely disingenuous about how you perceive transphobia.
You seem to love posting little gotcha posts that illustrate your ideology.
I think that your internal misogyny is so deeply rooted you don't even know that it's there.

Careful WotchaTalkinBoutWillis your transphobia is showing

And if somebody feels dependent on hair, makeup etc to make them a ‘proper woman’ then where does that leave them when they’re not all dressed up?
Exactly, that's how I feel.
Being all so called made up doesn't make you a woman.
There's more to it than being made up hair or make up wise.

@butterisbest
Why not try engaging?
What the fuck is all this about?
I think that you have zero interest in Feminism. You have a great interest in telling many women here that they are transphobic though. You also seem have a great interest in being extremely disingenuous about how you perceive transphobia
I like reading posts on here. Doesn't mean as a woman I have to automatically agree with everything though.
I have a great interest in women's rights. What with being one.
You seem to love posting little gotcha posts that illustrate your ideology.

Oh yikes, last sentence wasn't me - copy and paste fail bold type thang oops lol

Thanks for the jammy dodger Willis, wot no tea to go with it lol oops

Thanks for the jammy dodger Willis, wot no tea to go with it lol oops

Bring on the tea! Always give me the tea.
Yorkshire Tea the best

Here is a link to the special rules that apply here on FWR and no where else. This should explain why posts praising transgender identified males are frequently started here and why they are not moved to the appropriate section

Those guidelines are not unique to FWR.

FWR has periodically been flooded with trans praise threads in order to push Feminist issues off the front page

Well you're doing a great job of keeping this one near the top of the front page.

Those guidelines are not unique to FWR.

Aren’t they?¿ Which other MN forum uses these modd’ing rules?

Those guidelines are not unique to FWR

Aren’t they?¿ Which other MN forum uses these modd’ing rules?

I assume that posts which get you deleted on here would be deleted on the other forums. I doubt that MNHQ would be happy to let a comment which merited deletion on here stand just because it is on a different part of the site.