It's official, Marks and Spencer have fallen

[MrsSnippyPants]

I know we have 'known' this for a while, but this is now their official response. How many 'inappropriate' incidents will be necessary before they see sense?

#BoycottM&S

"Nothing's stopping you visiting the shop, but if you're that fussy about changing rooms or find them awkward with toddlers just take the items home and try them on."

So why aren't the male-bodied who feel uncomfortable in the men's changing room being given this same message?

Well. I've refused to shop there for a long time now, since this first came out. Not missed their awful clothes at all.

No way. Women are part of public life now. We aren't going back to the early 1800s. We aren't staying inside. Shops should listen to what their female costumers want.

BiggerBoat1

Women should stay at home so men can use womens changing rooms?!

Try stuff on at home if you're that bothered.

Yeah women - get out of public life so that men can do what they want.

FFS.

Fussy is not having a guy in the women’s changing room ?

🤦‍♀️ When you can’t close the door.

When did that become fussy ?

When did young families have to stay at home because they were too fussy about guys in changing rooms

M&S’ lingerie department locally is already boycotted as it’s on the same floor as the men’s department and you often find teenaged boys leering at young girls and passing suggestive comments. This move may kill it off altogether.

I'm not convinced that's a bad thing. At ours they are all cubical with solid lockable doors, and several accessible ones with plenty of spaces for a pram (or two) and they'll let you use them without any fuss.

However when ds was (A small) 6yo. He needed a smart outfit, the idea of which he was totally resistant.
So I suggested we went to Marks, we took every item that he thought might be okay and I thought he was smart enough and tried them on.
Issue came when we went to try them on. He wasn't allowed in the ladies'. I wasn't allowed in the men's. As you can imagine this was a little bit of the issue. They weren't keen on the idea of him changing in the middle of the floor either.
Eventually he went into the men's, and I waited outside while he came out in each outfit and told me his thoughts. This took a very long time, because he didn't do changing quickly.

Their suggestion was a bought them all and brought back those I didn't want

Now I could quite understand that attitude if it had been open plan changing rooms. But they weren't. Sealed cubicles. And it was evening so they were almost empty

So you're all worried about a man pretending to be trans to get sexual kicks by maybe, perhaps catching a flash of skin through a tiny gap in a door?

You not bothered about LGBT women then? Or is it only man who can be pervs?

Women should stay at home so men can use womens changing rooms?! No one said that. Women who are hysterically paranoid can go home to try on items. Women who understand how locks work can use the changing rooms.

As a pp said, this distracts from bigger issues.

If they would 'take action' at anything 'inappropriate' then why bother to have men and women's changing rooms in the first place? Why have they segregated by sex if they aren't going to uphold it? Just have mixed sex changing areas and 'take action at anything inappropriate' as and when it happens.

Is it so that certain people can be validated by using the 'female fitting rooms'? Because that's the only reason I can see for it.

How are you meant to lock a small cubicle when you have a buggy and a couple of toddlers.

Our local one has at least one cubicle big enough for this. Not sure how I survived toddler/baby days when the shop doors were barely big enough to get a buggy through, far less a twin buggy.

FFS the cubicles lock. At least half of trans woman arent even attracted to other women.

The lockable cubicles thing isn’t true. The disabled/accessible cubicle in my local city branch of M&S has a curtain on it, which is great for vulnerable women, especially in the new “anything goes” scenario.

I actually shop a lot in M&S - across all departments. Of course I won't be their biggest customer but I easily spend a comfortable 5-figures.

They'll be hard to boycott as I like their food and was just heading down to my local store to stock up on Halloween sweets and place the Christmas food order.

But I won't give money to a company who thinks so little of women and girls

You not bothered about LGBT women then? Or is it only man who can be pervs?

Wuh?

If you are going down the 'lesbians might be perving at you ya know' Road then

1. that is incredibly homophobic

2. 98% of sexual offences are carried out by men. So yeah, it's pretty much always men who are pervs.

HTH hun.

@slashlover - my thought too. Problems with buggies etc. can be solved through bigger cubicles (and personally I want my privacy protected from other people, regardless of what bits they've got) - it doesn't require exclusion of transpeople from public spaces.

Here comes the hysteria 🤦‍♀️

Witchend nice story but your individual experience doesn't equate to women in their underwear feeling vulnerable and expecting to be able to try on clothes without the fear that there are men hanging around.

That's it for me. I won't be buying anything from M&S from now on (no not even their lovely veg samosas).

You not bothered about LGBT women then? Or is it only man who can be pervs?

Not strictly only men, but about 99% men, yes.

Wow - this is at the top of Trending - has MN broken?

No ones excluding trans people from public spaces. Where did you get that from ?

"Women who are hysterically paranoid can go home to try on items."

So male-bodied person who doesn't want to get changed near men is just fine and dandy.

Woman who doesn't want to get changed near men is "hysterically paranoid".

Erm...