I Believe Her

[Brittany2019]

This is disappointing :

Can we talk about how the trans political movement has done absolutely nothing to support the rape crisis and shelter movements but are still demanding to be let into those female only spaces created to protect and heal women.

We can trust Rufus to know the correct I obscure sexual slang - ever since those racy red undies

Indeed, Karabir. If TRAs were asking for advice on how to create their own shelters then I'm sure many radfems would be happy to help, since it was the women from the Second Wave who set the ones we have up in the first place. A hostile takeover of the spaces women created for ourselves, otoh, is really not on.

I think *PowerFlowerrr”’s agenda is becoming clearer what with their indepth knowledge of slang used in violent porn
Railing against someone is a bog standard phrase.

Actually FrothyDragon, you only need to change one vowel in your page title - "I Believe Hir". Transactivists have already done the work to make "her" inclusive of men. Everybody would know what the page stood for then. There could be no confusion.

Misogyny usually goes hand in hand with racism. They're close friends.

Frothy also many (if not all) posters here would have your back if you were to reverse the “women have rapists too ” stance.

I do have sympathy for you because you must feel torn in two directions.

But it is not really possible to be “neutral” on this. Either woman can have penises or they cannot.

If a "woman" does not have a penis then "she" cannot be a rapist in the UK, though, legally speaking.

disappointed in all this

*sorry should have been “are”, not “have” - (quoting a comment from the page)

"Railing" somebody is a misogynistic slang word for violently having sex with them, so you are creating latent associations between her 'betrayal' of women and VAWG.

You just made that up.

What fucking bullshit.

2B

I know...worrying isn’t it

Even if "railing" was some obscure, nasty man's verb that hardly anyone has heard of, one would have to perform some seriously disingenuous mental gymnastics to conflate that with the well known expression "railed against" which is in common usage.

Desperate or what?

I’m disturbed that someone would see the innocuous phrase “railing against” and be reminded of “violently have sex with!?” Deeply Unpleasant.

Look forward to more such on the page. Because that's what it is now. And no whining from Frothy is going to change it. She made her bed and she'll be lying in it. Without the women she was purporting to support - because this is precisely what she was supposed to be supporting them against.

And the thing is, I'll still support Frothy against shit like that if it's aimed at her here because I'm a radfem and she's a woman and that's what female solidarity is for.

I can't do that on her FB page, though, because she's chosen to take that page in a direction that heads away from female solidarity and into...well, I'm not living in her heard so I don't know what her goal is, but I hope it's something truly amazing to be worth giving up the solidarity of other women to get there. And it doesn't come across as an environment I'd want to put myself in if I was seeking support after being raped, not with women whose first priority is other women being driven out and men free to make unreasonable demands about the level of deference they're required to show to their rapists if he happens to declare a new gender identity.

All I can really say is it's not too late, Frothy. A lot of women have been taken in by the gender stuff and the shift in priorities away from what's best for women that it demands, and they made that shift because they thought it was the right thing to do, but more and more of them are realizing that it was a mistake, and as frustrated as many of us are with women who've been taken in by the gender cult I think we need to hold space for them and hope that they may still shift back to a more woman centered approach rather than writing them off entirely.

Well said Kittens

I do agree Frothy that unfortunately this is a case where you can't support the women that page was set up for and also validate transwomen. There is no way of sitting on the fence.

You could pass the page over to someone else if you needed to, it sounds like you have done a lot of work already. We all need to pass the baton sometimes.

Yup, radical feminism will always be there for FrothyDragon whether she wants it or not. As it will for every other woman who climbed on the misogyny train because they thought it would keep them safe or make them popular.

Shame that debate went. I was engaging and I thank Frothy for the questions she posed.

I do note the article was linked again under another debate by someone else.

I hope more of the women visiting that page look up the freedom programme which I saw mentioned.

Have read through this thread but can't actually find the FB post. I'm guessing that's been removed?
Reading all of your threads on this and similar topics over the past few months has been an eye-opener. I'm trying to think of how to talk to my 13 yo DD about all of this, it seems to be quite trendy to self-"label" at her school. I know this is a little off-topic but any clues / steers on that would be helpful?

How lovely of you to share that bit of crass misogyny with us, especially when we were finally having a productive conversation.

I didn't say you made it up.

I said you disingenuously conflated it with "railing against"..