Trans chat

[Babyjakesmum]

I haven't been on Mumsnet in a while, but have dropped back in to see what was going on when I heard about the sponsors dropping Mumsnet because of anti-trans hate. I expected it to be a storm in a tea cup.

But sadly, I have to say that I find the level of bitter hatred on here to be utterly breathtaking. I have trans people in my family. I have friends who have trans people, and the way they are being discussed here is simply appalling.

Being trans isn't something anyone takes lightly, or lives lightly either. It's is not mental illness, it is not an excuse to abuse children, it is not a passing fad. It is bloody hard on those who find themselves in that situation, and this sort of hate-fest of ignorance and accusation only makes their lives even harder.

I used to come on here to talk about my babies and life as a Mum, and it was supportive and safe space for me to talk openly about my feelings and experiences. It no longer feels safe for anyone. I don't think I will be coming back to be a regular again. I cannot comprehend what has become of the people on here for this level of narrow mindedness to be flourishing.

Make no mistake, I am an old school, campaigning, hard-bitten feminist, and have been since before half the people on here were born. I understand the feminist anti-trans arguments but I find all of it to be empty of any basis in reality. Trans people aren't lurking in changing rooms, trans people aren't after your kids or trying to undermine your own femininity. They are having a very hard time in life.

I know you can cite a handful of examples, but then there are always a handful of example of anything. One Karen White does not mean you write off all trans-people as criminals.

I would say to you to get to know an actual transperson and see what the reality is, except that I wouldn't want any vulnerable person subjected to this.... you also probably do already know a transperson somewhere in your life, but most don't wear a badge to tell you that because it's actually none of your business what clothes or pronouns someone chooses to use.

How shocked was I when I saw thread name "Trans Chat" that it was one of those threads?

Is a trans chat something that passes for conversation?

OP hasn't been on Mumsnet for soooooo long. Yet instantly and with precision accuracy, they're able to pinpoint the very board where discussion of trans issues and women rights are mostly taking place. And then go to that board and issue a queenly rebuke to all its users for being notty little women who are not being nice because they feel their 'femininity' [snort] is under threat. Add to this the confuddlement about the very concept of femininity and its relation to the category 'gender', despite having been pontificating on these issues and others like them since before the first feminist was ever born, then on careful reflection I think I call BS.

@antibles - 😂😂😂

That should say ‘but is’ rather than ‘it is’ in the first line of my previous post. Using ‘it’ is probably taking the pronoun thing too far :)
Apologies.

Babyjakesmum was asking in April 2013 for advice on losing 3 stone of baby weight. About 1.6% of births in the UK are to women over 40. Assuming she was 45 in 2013 she would have been born in 1968.

Is a trans chat something that passes for conversation?

Fucking priceless.

It's the only way to deal with 'em isn't it?

Has MN ever been "safe"? And what does that even mean? I doubt Op has ever visited AIBU.

Have the Thighs been biting again? Sorry OP. They’re impossible to control

ain't that the truth

placate them with organs and piss OP. I find it's the only thing that works

And in August 2012 Babyjakesmum asked for advice about what one wears during labour- which I'm assuming by the nature of her question was her first pregnancy.

Have the Thighs been biting again? Sorry OP. They’re impossible to control.

Oh shit, can you imagine?!!?

Look out for buckets of organs and a pissy smell

Fingers crossed it's just bedbugs OP

Unless you come up with some specific examples OP or explain why it’s hateful to object to biological males playing in women’s sport despite a large physical advantage, why it’s hateful for women and girls to want privacy whilst changing or sleeping, or why traumatised women in domestic violence centres should have to share with biological men then I just can’t be bothered. Over to you.

Unless you come up with some specific examples OP or explain why it’s hateful to object to biological males playing in women’s sport despite a large physical advantage, why it’s hateful for women and girls to want privacy whilst changing or sleeping, or why traumatised women in domestic violence centres should have to share with biological men then I just can’t be bothered. Over to you.

Very much this.

The truth should never be taboo.

@Babyjakesmum, I think most of us do know a trans person (or several) but we don't agree with the "official" activist ideology.

it is not a passing fad

Pretty sure it is for the teens claiming to be trans/non-binary/abimegender/librafluid/invisigender etc. It's the new emo, only far more damaging.

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I was like you, OP. I thought that Mumsnet were treating a group of people who really just wanted to live their lives disgracefully.

But - even though I was super-polite with pronouns and socially respectful I never actually believed that trans women are women.

And because I don’t believe people can change sex I don’t believer that biological men should be in women’s sport or that they can have periods.

Personally I don’t care who I change next to but my daughters care - a lot- and I can empathise with all the women and girls who don’t want to get changed next to man with a beard who “identifies” as a woman on that day. Maybe if you were babyjessicasmum instead, in a few years’ time you’d appreciate just how self-conscious a girl in early puberty can become.

Not believing that men can change sex already makes me a transphobe so add my concern about puberty blockers for children who don’t conform to gender stereotypes (and it always seems to start with clothes and toys) and somehow I’ve become full-blown GC.

But sadly, I have to say that I find the level of bitter hatred on here to be utterly breathtaking

Unfortunately some people seem to think that having concerns about trans activism amounts to 'bitter hatred'. People are allowed to have an opinion that differs from yours.

How come op,starts a thread and then never comes back

Can’t answer questions. Ffs

I know you can cite a handful of examples, but then there are always a handful of example of anything. One Karen White does not mean you write off all trans-people as criminals.

You have massively missed the point about Karen White.

If you are going to come back, I can explain it to you and we can discuss it.

If you are just here to plop and run, I'm not going to bother.

Jesus H. Christ!

I'm so glad you came along OP to teach us how to be the nice, meek beings that women are supposed to be!

For the record (disgraceful that it needs spelled out!), I wish NO transperson any harm whatsoever. To harm anyone due to an aspect of their biology, personality, orientation etc. is despicable and I'd never stand by and watch it happen.
BUT that doesn't mean I want men in women's spaces. That's the bottom line.
When it comes to it, I stand with biological women and believe that sex segregated spaces exist to protect our safety.
That is not causing anyone any harm, and it might help if you were even slightly knowledgeable about the things you're trying to chastise talk about.

please read this

Please also know that most (if not all) incarcerated women have survived child sex abuse, neglect, rape or sexual assault.

One told me that she felt safer inside than outside, because of the abuse she had experienced (including being trafficked).