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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Astonishing thread from Jane Fae, Darvo at its finest.

185 replies

SunsetBeetch · 06/10/2019 16:42

I think Jane may be unhappy about something or other. Can't think what /s

All the classics are there: right wing funding, denyong people's existence...

As a procession of journalists/not-journalists continue to shill unashamedly, unquestioningly for the gender crits, a pattern, some background that the former seem blithely ignorant of.

A thread.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180766181885698050?s=19

They – the gender crits – declared they only wanted to talk, while setting up a batch of pseudo-organisations and so-called charity platforms, little more than social media groups, that blatantly excluded mainstream trans voices.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180766498249465857?s=19

They – the gender crits – said it was all about the Gender Recognition Act and women's concerns....while their leading lights talked openly about removing ALL rights from trans people and driving us out of existence - and journalists/not-journalists said nothing.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180766702352654337?s=19

They – the gender crits – caricatured any GRA changes as ushering in an armageddon for women, while seemingly unaware, ignorant, or lying that the changes proposed did nothing to affect rights trans people had exercised for decades, with no problem.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180766856250044416?s=19

They – the gender crits – happily scooped up hundreds of thousands in funding, including significant donations from far right Christian fundamentalists with an anti-woman agenda, while claiming it was all about defending women.

And journalists/not-journalists said nothing.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180767075989643264?s=19

They – the gender crits – set out on a campaign of publicity stunts designed to exclude trans people from public spaces, while journalists/not-journalists treated it all as a bit of a lark.

A thing to debate politely in two minute set piece televised confrontations.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180767308576374785?s=19

They – the gender crits – paint trans women as sexual deviants, while erasing the validity of trans men and non-binary existence.

Publicly, they endorsed a campaign that incited taxi drivers and bikers to use violence against trans people. Because they only wanted to talk.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180767618074058752?s=19

They – the gender crits – set about invading any and every trans space, intimidating trans folk, denying trans people the safety they demand for themselves.

But it was only about women's concerns.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180767830712705024?s=19

They – the gender crits – initiated a co-ordinated campaign to make it harder/impossible for young trans and gender questioning people to get support in schools. And journalists/ not-journalists said it was just another debate.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180768181163610112?s=19

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SunsetBeetch · 06/10/2019 16:46

Though these same journalists/non-journalists would run a mile from "debates" about restricting the access of women, young women to medical aid and support.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180768411124748288?s=19

They – the gender crits – promote long debunked “research” from anti-trans and Christian organisations as means to dismiss international standards of treatment for trans kids, and make it even harder to get treatment.

But they only want to talk.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180768671679094784?s=19

They – the gender crits – expressed concerns about the safety of medications taken by trans people. Because risky, off-label.

Despite the fact that at least 25% of medications prescribed in the UK on any day are not used for the purpose researched.

But these are just concerns.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180768986608361472?s=19

The combined effect of these campaigns is to make it harder for trans people to access already hard to access medical support.

But remember: they only want to talk about women's issues.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180769181068869632?s=19

They – the gender crits – are working hard on a far right Christian agenda designed to exclude Trans from LGBT. They have stirred up Lesbian opposition to Trans people, despite the fact that most Lesbians seem not the least bit concerned.

But these ARE women's concerns.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180769387885875200?s=19

And now they are weaponising one of the hardest, most nuanced issues in the Trans community – that of detransition – by feeding simplistic and misleading narratives to journalists and the journalists/not-journalists like @sallylockwood are lapping it up.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180769559411924993?s=19

This is nothing to do with eradicating trans people from the face of the earth. Nothing to do with creating fear and intimidation. Because, perish the though – the gender crits only want to talk.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180769754879004672?s=19

Nothing to do with an obsessive fixation on a vanishingly small sub-set of minority that many, most women will never encounter, never need to engage with from one end of the year to the next.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180770139760975873?s=19

This is all about a balanced debate between two sides, even though evidence overwhelmingly shows journalists/not-journalists uncritically giving platforms to those who would eradicate trans folk, and leaving trans voices out.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180770360188444672?s=19

Because this is only about women's concerns and wanting to talk.

Nothing more.

Isn't it?

That is all.

/fin

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180770511284064258?s=19

ETA. Getting a load of gender crits turning up to pretend none of the above is true. Clue: i have links/screenshots/statements to substantiate every single point here.

And if any journalist/non-journalist wants to discuss any of it, you are welcome.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180868276148166658?s=19

Jane: r u ok hun?

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/10/2019 16:48

I'm not sure of where any trans spaces might be but I'm absolutely certain that no amount of money could persuade me to invade one.

If you're going to DARVO at least aim for convincing, Jane.

OrchidInTheSun · 06/10/2019 16:51

If they're such a vanishingly small minority and they were already doing it anyway, why did they want the law changed? Confused

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 06/10/2019 16:54

What on earth is Fae talking about re inciting taxi drivers and bikers to be violent against trans people?

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/10/2019 16:56

A woman handing out leaflets who said she talked to a few lads on bikes. But it was in Manchester and Jane, in addition to many other flaws, is a bit of a snob.

LangCleg · 06/10/2019 16:56

What on earth is Fae talking about re inciting taxi drivers and bikers to be violent against trans people?

We're just talking about it on another thread. This is when some women were giving out FPFW leaflets during the GRA consultation periods and tweeted about being on a housing estate and even "lads on their bikes" agreed with them.

Genderism: classist to its very core.

OrchidInTheSun · 06/10/2019 16:59

Charlie Evans public detransition has really shaken the TRAs hasn't it?

Saltovinegar · 06/10/2019 17:00

A cage most definitely rattled!

NeurotrashWarrior · 06/10/2019 17:01

I've just seen this. Bonkers.

The years of violent porn has destroyed their brain.

OrchidInTheSun · 06/10/2019 17:21

I asked Fae for the 'links/screenshots/statements' to back up the assertions. Fae promptly blocked me. What curious behaviour.

Perhaps I'm not the right sort of non-journalist to be asking to see them.

VickyEadieofThigh · 06/10/2019 17:30

There are so many specious lies in that thread I'm astonished and I'm no stranger to specious lies.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 06/10/2019 17:31

Someone been hitting the sauce early haven’t they?

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 06/10/2019 17:33

That can't be right because Fae has quite clearly said that Fae has evidence for everything so perhaps you mistakenly tweeted that you were going to burn Fae's house down?

truthisarevolutionaryact · 06/10/2019 17:35

Ah - the self identified expert in all things relating to extreme porn and the girl guides.
DARVO indeed .

littlbrowndog · 06/10/2019 17:37

Didn’t fae come o; here to lectur3 us ?

Was that about the girl guides and pjs ?

Or was that someone else?

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 06/10/2019 17:37

A woman handing out leaflets who said she talked to a few lads on bikes

Ahhh teenage boys on bicycles!

That's why I couldn't recall what the hell JF was blethering on about with 'bikers and taxi drivers'. They weren't bikers, just kids. On bicycles.

Ereshkigal · 06/10/2019 17:42

Charlie Evans public detransition has really shaken the TRAs hasn't it?

Yep. It's amazing when TRAs thought we just wanted to talk that they turned up en masse to intimidate us into not talking. If they thought we would just have a chat about it and then roll over, that seems strange?

FWRLurker · 06/10/2019 17:48

How would I go about “eradicating trans people from the face of the earth.”?? No seriously, how?

Waterl00 · 06/10/2019 17:51

Who said we only want to talk?

Nope, we expect, and demand to be consulted on law changes that affect us.

We expect to be able to resist damaging education material that affects our kids in schools.

We expect to challenge policies made by employers and councils that ignore the actual EA2010 in favour of law changes that have not happened and are illegal.

We really, truly don't only want to talk, we wanted to do things you don't like. Our things, for us. Exclusionary things.

butteryellow · 06/10/2019 18:02

paint trans women as sexual deviants

Sorry.. Jane Fae said this.. Jane Fae who acted as an expert witness telling a court that extreme pornography, talking about dismembering girls, and sexually abusing the body parts was just fine, and shouldn't be classed as an obscene publication?

We all know it's all lies, but that's a particularly blatant one - no painting needed, when you've testified in court that you, personally are in favour of that sort of thing!

KatvonHostileExtremist · 06/10/2019 18:03

I don't think I've ever once seen a GC person write a threat of violence towards a trans person.

What I find astonishing is that this person is listened to in any context.

OrchidInTheSun · 06/10/2019 18:03

I'm surprised that someone with such illustrious academic credentials would make a thread of allegations with nothing to back them up.

But then, this is the person who said that most women were murdered by partners because of our silly eggshell skulls.

So this is just another in a long history of dishonest tweeting

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/10/2019 18:04

We said we wanted to talk and they said "how fucking dare you", and then they tried to prevent us from talking.

Ereshkigal · 06/10/2019 18:06

We really, truly don't only want to talk, we wanted to do things you don't like. Our things, for us. Exclusionary things.

This.