Astonishing thread from Jane Fae, Darvo at its finest.

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I think Jane may be unhappy about something or other. Can't think what /s

All the classics are there: right wing funding, denyong people's existence...

As a procession of journalists/not-journalists continue to shill unashamedly, unquestioningly for the gender crits, a pattern, some background that the former seem blithely ignorant of.

A thread.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180766181885698050?s=19

They – the gender crits – declared they only wanted to talk, while setting up a batch of pseudo-organisations and so-called charity platforms, little more than social media groups, that blatantly excluded mainstream trans voices.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180766498249465857?s=19

They – the gender crits – said it was all about the Gender Recognition Act and women's concerns....while their leading lights talked openly about removing ALL rights from trans people and driving us out of existence - and journalists/not-journalists said nothing.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180766702352654337?s=19

They – the gender crits – caricatured any GRA changes as ushering in an armageddon for women, while seemingly unaware, ignorant, or lying that the changes proposed did nothing to affect rights trans people had exercised for decades, with no problem.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180766856250044416?s=19

They – the gender crits – happily scooped up hundreds of thousands in funding, including significant donations from far right Christian fundamentalists with an anti-woman agenda, while claiming it was all about defending women.

And journalists/not-journalists said nothing.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180767075989643264?s=19

They – the gender crits – set out on a campaign of publicity stunts designed to exclude trans people from public spaces, while journalists/not-journalists treated it all as a bit of a lark.

A thing to debate politely in two minute set piece televised confrontations.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180767308576374785?s=19

They – the gender crits – paint trans women as sexual deviants, while erasing the validity of trans men and non-binary existence.

Publicly, they endorsed a campaign that incited taxi drivers and bikers to use violence against trans people. Because they only wanted to talk.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180767618074058752?s=19

They – the gender crits – set about invading any and every trans space, intimidating trans folk, denying trans people the safety they demand for themselves.

But it was only about women's concerns.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180767830712705024?s=19

They – the gender crits – initiated a co-ordinated campaign to make it harder/impossible for young trans and gender questioning people to get support in schools. And journalists/ not-journalists said it was just another debate.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1180768181163610112?s=19

The scariest person I've ever met was an American Psycho type - handsome, successful, silver spoon through and through. I refused to even take a taxi with him, and know of at least two occasions on which he attempted to rape women in his social circle, one of whom worked with him. I assume there were many more I never found out about. Anyway, MRA and TRA types love to spin that reaction in women as mean meanies being mean because we don't find someone aesthetically pleasing, but nope - that man was objectively pretty stunning, but locking eyes with him was like looking at a shark.

It’s so annoying when women won’t shut up and do as they’re told, isn’t it?

I feel that my post would never have been deleted had it referred to a male person who did not identify as trans, but had otherwise the same history of campaigning to legalise the most extreme, repellent and violent types of pornography. Having a transgender identity should not make someone beyond reproach or comment.

Yes, creepiness is nothing to do with looks.

At the opposite end of the scale the only man I've ever felt moved to ban from my workplace in 20 years was objectively not a threat in that he only had one leg, a real, physical disability that ordinarily would trigger the nurturer in me. But he absolutely made my skin crawl and as a lone worker he made me dread every working day. (Fortunately he was also Canadian and only here temporarily).

It isn't as if I'm a shrinking violet. I've been known to wade in between men having a fist fight in my workplace, picked random drunks off the pavement outside, chased junkies out of the toilets when they were using them as a shooting gallery. But this bloke set my spidey senses to max tingling.

mean meanies being mean because we don't find someone aesthetically pleasing

I have a suspicion there's a misogynistic reversal in there. Just cos men are freaked out by women they judge as unattractive, doesn't mean women are afraid of ugly men.

I dearly hope I'm wrong about the man I mentioned in my previous post, but only time will tell. And if it transpires I wasn't wrong, and I hadn't said anything... Yeah, I can do without that guilt.

There have been times when I tried to ignore my inner feelings of fear or revulsion about someone, and it led to me being in some terrible situations.
We should be able to talk about fear, why we feel it, when we feel it, what it tells us.

Jane Fae frits the shit out of me.

I would avoid a personal encounter with Jane Fae at all costs.

I believe this to be a completely sensible and evolved risk response.

GO ON THEN. DELETE ME.

If we can't do so on a site aimed at women then what use is that site?

If the person in question wasn't trans we'd probably be allowed to do so. This indicates something wrong with the way conversations relating to trans people are moderated, not something wrong with the conversation women are having.

Agree with Arnold creepiness is nothing to do with lack of conventional attractiveness.
I once had strong feelings of fear and revulsion about a man we used to come into contact with, he had a disability, so on the surface would appear non-threatening, yet He really bothered me, and my DH hated him with a visceral passion. However, for reasons involving neighbour, this man was once in my house. I was alone with him and my very small children, trying to drop huge hints that would get him to leave. He was talking, and I felt this wave of fear. He simply could not quite disguise his simmering anger. He also could not keep his eyes off my dds, and kept trying to play with them. I had to get something from another room, when I came back in he had my toddlers entire fist IN HIS MOUTH. I was so shocked, and so afraid of how he might react that I didn’t shout, I just told him that I had stuff to get on with and I was sorry but I would have to ask him to leave.
I very rarely see him about now, but DH saw him recently in the supermarket, and he asked about our daughters. DH stood there and stared him out, without saying anything.

I have had a response from MN, they apparently had “a number of complaints” and it was to do with me comparing my feelings about the person in question, to my similar feelings about another person.

Thing is, if you get that gut feeling and remove yourself/from the situation and the person doesn't do anything/wasn't going to do anything, what's the worst thing that happens? That person is deprived of a social interaction? Now what happens if the person triggering the alarm was planning to do something and you ignore the warning bells and stay in that situation?

Logic says, if you get that feeling, get away from the person whose presence is making you feel that way. If that hurts their feelings then that's unfortunate but better than the potential alternative.

I have had a response from MN, they apparently had “a number of complaints” and it was to do with me comparing my feelings about the person in question, to my similar feelings about another person.

So presumably it is OK for me to say JF gives me the absolute creeps and there are no circumstances under which I would ever allow myself to be in the company of JF as long as I don't compare JF to other XY people who give me the same skin crawling vibe?

In which case JF makes me skin crawl and I never want to be around JF.

Jesus Vix, I'm not sure what's worse - the horrifying story or the fact that MNHQ are supporting the monitors in shutting us up.

Yet again, it would be very useful if the mod teams went on the freedom program to understand coercive control.

I would be very interested in who those complaints were coming from. Obviously people who other people find creepy would probably prefer not to be described that way. That doesn't mean that nobody should be allowed to describe them as creepy. Are we going to have to come up with a code for the person who nobody must be compared to?

Ugh fucking hell.

Anyone promoting violent porn which is effectively violence against women and is shown to affect how men treat women as well as how it impacts young teens developing brains is sickening and how anyone can then claim to be a feminist is beyond me, when all their daily activity points towards harming women.

And yes anyone like that gives me the creeps, no matter how good a knitter they are.

Madame Defarge

That was the knitting name i wanted!

It’s the whispering voice, over-familiarity and patronising tone and demeanour, combined with smug glances at the camera that get to me. Always always painting themselves as the voice of reason while some unhinged XX person rants incoherently. Any show of emotion is used as a weapon. I believe it’s called gaslighting.

Didn't work very well on Julie Bindel!

Has anyone seen that film of Julie sitting along side JF and Milo Yiannopoulos? She could chat happily to Milo (who despite his various sexist beliefs I found easy to engage with) but she looks incredibly uneasy with JF. MY doesn't engage with JF either. JF passively aggressively knits.

I'd feel safer with Milo too tbh, and he'd certainly be easier to talk to.

I was about to draw that very comparison and compare the knitting to a bonnet. The frustrating part is that we all see it but nobody is allowed to say it.

I've saved you a deletion Kittens! Apparently, pointing this out about the knitting extreme porn advocate 'isn't in the spirit'.

Just noticed DuMonde got deleted too.

I take it we're not allowed to discuss variants of AGP in relation to named individuals?