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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Why do women not believe other women (Boris Johnson story)

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Annasgirl · 01/10/2019 10:51

I came on to see if there was a thread on this, and there is a similar thread on the topic but it is based on giving out about George Galloway (I'm not in the UK so no real opinion on him except that I don't like him).

However, watching the Channel 4 news last night I was amazed at the number of people (women) who asked why the journalist did not raise this allegation earlier and questioning her integrity.

Now, these kinds of comments square with my impression that the greatest achievement of the patriarchy was to get women to compete always and ever against other women for the crumbs from the man's table. So, women have never been each others allies in the way that men were (war etc) and they instead belittle and criticise the woman in these scenarios instead of the men (see also, the constant criticism of the other woman and never of the married man; the lack of belief of women in rape trials; the lack of belief of women in MeToo; the list of senior female actresses who still defend Weinstein, and Polanski; the madams who procure women for creepy men - and on and on ad infinitum.

Until women put other women first there really will be no better future for our daughters and I find this incredibly sad. I grew up in a matriarchy and I have always encouraged and supported other women and girls throughout my life - I am just always saddened that this is the exception rather than the rule.

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BertrandRussell · 05/10/2019 11:32

“Believing the woman” simply means that your starting point is believing the woman rather than , as is usually the case, the man. It may turn out that you have to change your mind in the light of the evidence. But you start by believing the woman.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 05/10/2019 12:03

no, that was to a person trotting out different misogynist tropes itwaseverthus

itwaseverthus · 05/10/2019 12:27

Different mysogynist tropes. Or their own, valid take that happens to differ from yours. The thought police are alive and well.

itwaseverthus · 05/10/2019 12:33

It was milveycrohn who wrote Of course it is politically motivated. She is the girl friend of Robert Peston, and timed her revelation to cause as much damage as possible. However, that does not mean it did not happen Doesn't sound like misogyny to me but clearly anything but 100% instant belief is unacceptable to you.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 05/10/2019 12:36

you don't think that assuming a woman has been influenced by her boyfriend into talking about bad behaviour she's experienced rather than making the decision herself is misogynist?

OOOOKAY

itwaseverthus · 05/10/2019 12:41

I didn't take from that comment the same meaning you did. I thought the link with Peston was that they were of a similar political opinion and had mutual objectives as is common with power couples and politics. Not that he was the big swinging dick giving her food for thought.

I thought the posters comment was entirely fair and balanced. But anything that doesn't 100% automatically believe the woman is not allowed. Message received and understood. And rejected.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 05/10/2019 12:43

but why talk about her being the girl friend of peston? why not say 'she's a well known remainer?' (assuming she is)

why is who her boyfriend is relevant in any way here?

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 05/10/2019 12:45

why always think about women through the lens of being a wife, a girlfriend, a mother and so on

why not consider them as autonomous people? is the point I'm making

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 05/10/2019 12:48

And you still haven't explained why you don't think it's 'clean' to make people aware of men's bad behaviour if you;re a woman and you mention it at the 'wrong' time

Inebriati · 05/10/2019 13:21

I still don't understand how we are supposed to 'mention' or 'report' this kind of harassment in a way that's ''acceptable''.
Maybe the naysayers could start with some sort of flow chart that the rest of us can follow.

Troilusworks · 05/10/2019 13:35

BernardBlack thanks for your point about Preston. How often do we ever read about the female partners of men being relevant to a man’s or perspective? There’s so much indoctrination women are subject too. Which is why I adored George Clooney’s line about world renowned human rights lawyer, Amal marries actor.

Creepster · 06/10/2019 00:39

We just don't buy into the crap. I'd have a tonne more respect for someone who fought cleanly.

I disagree that women's rights are "crap" or that speaking truth to power is fighting dirty. Your condemnation of women for speaking against abuse is noted.

itwaseverthus · 06/10/2019 01:40

but why talk about her being the girl friend of peston? why not say 'she's a well known remainer?' (assuming she is)

I now realise you are thick. I didn;t mention this creep once. Sad.

itwaseverthus · 06/10/2019 01:43

@Creepster you show me where I condemn womens rights and I will bake you cookies. Your bullshit chat is noted.

itwaseverthus · 06/10/2019 01:57

You are all utterly delightful. No wonder there is anxiety, depression, zopiclone, diazepan. What a mess

itwaseverthus · 06/10/2019 01:59

@Creepster you know thats a lie. We just don't buy into the crap. I'd have a tonne more respect for someone who fought cleanly.

I disagree that women's rights are "crap" or that speaking truth to power is fighting dirty. Your condemnation of women for speaking against abuse is noted*

Why do you make up shit?

itwaseverthus · 06/10/2019 02:01

@Creepster, do you think I am going to let you accuse me falsely? Do you really?

itwaseverthus · 06/10/2019 02:05

@BernardBlacksWineIceLolly but why talk about her being the girl friend of peston? why not say 'she's a well known remainer?' (assuming she is)

why is who her boyfriend is relevant in any way here?

Fucking read the fucking thread. I have never mentioned Peston once. Jeezus.

itwaseverthus · 06/10/2019 02:19

@BernardBlacksWineIceLolly why do you insist on falsely accusing me of something I did not say? Why? I thought you all had the moral highground. I did not lie. I did not say this.#

ut why talk about her being the girl friend of peston? why not say 'she's a well known remainer?' (assuming she is)

why is who her boyfriend is relevant in any way here?

itwaseverthus · 06/10/2019 02:22

@Creepster, your mental gymnastics is noted. You sound like a fucking nutter but yet, fair play to you if you are willing to sell your self on that totem. Bless you.

' We just don't buy into the crap. I'd have a tonne more respect for someone who fought cleanly.

I disagree that women's rights are "crap" or that speaking truth to power is fighting dirty. Your condemnation of women for speaking against abuse is noted.

itwaseverthus · 06/10/2019 03:05

Seems @Creepster is as @Creepster does. Ignorant And Divisive, what a fucking peach. Try doing you! Novel, but interesting when you don;t wait for instructions.

itwaseverthus · 06/10/2019 03:08

Your words " disagree that women's rights are "crap" or that speaking truth to power is fighting dirty. Your condemnation of women for speaking against abuse is noted." I didnt say it, you know I didnt say it. What a sad sack you are.

If that;s an ally, Id fuckin hate to see an enemy. Tit.

Datun · 06/10/2019 04:49

Placemarking.

Troilusworks · 06/10/2019 06:02

Ah, makes sense now. Wondered why they were so wedded to disbelieving this woman. Not even British. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion wherever they are in the world but thought it was really odd that there'd be such a BJ backer on a feminist section of a mainly women's forum.

Every time I say something vaguely political on FB I get tons of Stars and Stripes waving Republicans trying to follow me. Weird.

Sad sack, tit, fucking peach 🤣🤣🤣

Datun · 06/10/2019 06:10

Sad sack, tit, fucking peach 🤣🤣🤣

...don't forget nutters

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