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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Why do women not believe other women (Boris Johnson story)

351 replies

Annasgirl · 01/10/2019 10:51

I came on to see if there was a thread on this, and there is a similar thread on the topic but it is based on giving out about George Galloway (I'm not in the UK so no real opinion on him except that I don't like him).

However, watching the Channel 4 news last night I was amazed at the number of people (women) who asked why the journalist did not raise this allegation earlier and questioning her integrity.

Now, these kinds of comments square with my impression that the greatest achievement of the patriarchy was to get women to compete always and ever against other women for the crumbs from the man's table. So, women have never been each others allies in the way that men were (war etc) and they instead belittle and criticise the woman in these scenarios instead of the men (see also, the constant criticism of the other woman and never of the married man; the lack of belief of women in rape trials; the lack of belief of women in MeToo; the list of senior female actresses who still defend Weinstein, and Polanski; the madams who procure women for creepy men - and on and on ad infinitum.

Until women put other women first there really will be no better future for our daughters and I find this incredibly sad. I grew up in a matriarchy and I have always encouraged and supported other women and girls throughout my life - I am just always saddened that this is the exception rather than the rule.

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/10/2019 16:39

Thanks, less evil twin.

SallyGoRoundTheSun · 06/10/2019 16:41

TheProdigalKittensReturn

Again, I'm not sure you're quite understanding some basic feminist concepts here

Oh I know the Dworkin quote. I'm surprised that this board cannot begin to countenance a single criticism of a woman who is as sexist as Edwardes. The ethos at The Spectator suited her just fine.

LangCleg · 06/10/2019 16:41

Me: I'm not making a point.

Sally: You didn't actually make a point.

Goddess loves a trier.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/10/2019 16:44

Warn people before you make them snort, some of us are trying to have a drink you know.

SallyGoRoundTheSun · 06/10/2019 16:44

*Me:I'm not making a point.

Sally:You didn't actually make a point*

Sorry I meant to say whatever point or non point you were trying to make was incoherent. Terribly sorry but do carrying on making non- points !

Grimbles · 06/10/2019 16:48

Edwards is sexist and ageist and could be the most unlikeable woman on earth.

However, all this does not mean Boris didnt grope her. Which is what this thread is about.

For the record, I'd shag Peston...

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/10/2019 16:49

I'm questioning your taste so hard right now...

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 06/10/2019 16:49

I'm surprised that this board cannot begin to countenance a single criticism of a woman who is as sexist as Edwardes

i'm sure people here would be very happy to criticise examples of sexism. it's just not the generally held view among feminists that being a sexist woman makes you fair games for sexual harassment

it ain't rocket science

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 06/10/2019 16:51

do you know what, Peston does have a certain je ne sais quoi

BertrandRussell · 06/10/2019 16:51

I find the idea of women having to pass a worthiness test before they are believed about any sort of non consensual sexual contact (sorry, clunky but I wanted an all encompassing term) deeply distasteful.
And I would watch Peston with my tea on my knee if I wasn’t so old I can’t remember when he’s on.

LangCleg · 06/10/2019 16:58

Sorry I meant to say whatever point or non point you were trying to make was incoherent.

I know I said goddess loves a trier but....

... at this rate poor Bob's todger will be wilted for all eternity.

BeMoreMagdalen · 06/10/2019 18:14

I'm not getting the Peston affection. But give me basil and pinenuts and I'm happy to spend a wild evening alone with pesto.

Oh, and yes, still think women shouldn't ever have to put up with and shut up about sexual harassment.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/10/2019 18:17

Pesto not Peston! I concur.

And yes, even if I would never want to spend an evening sharing a few alcoholic beverages with a woman I still don't think she should have to put up with being harassed and never talk about it afterwards. Not sure why this is so challenging a concept for some to grasp.

BeMoreMagdalen · 06/10/2019 19:09

Naice women don't get felt up. And if they do, they are discreet about it, and only mention it if they can do so 'cleanly'.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 06/10/2019 19:24

a skeevy little guy at work 'accidentally' ran his hand down my arm last week

but Sally doesn't like me much, so I expect in her view I'm not allowed to talk about it

Grimbles · 06/10/2019 19:57

Well, Bernard, you have left it a whole week so just put it out of your pretty little head and make me a cup of tea, darling.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/10/2019 19:59

That didn't happen, and if it did it wasn't that bad, and if it was that bad she deserved it - a tale of misogyny as old as time.

BeMoreMagdalen · 06/10/2019 20:02

You should smile more, really. You look lovely when you smile Bernard.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 06/10/2019 20:35

thanks for all the feminist help ladies, it's duly noted

Grin
Creepster · 06/10/2019 22:48

Was it something I said?
The assumption that Feminists are not aware that we all received basic misogyny training from day one, despite the fact that unpacking that conditioning is one of the tenets of Feminism, is not one of the distractions I would expect to come up on FWR, and yet here we are.

BertrandRussell · 06/10/2019 23:05

As a policeman said to dd while she was giving a statement about the man who hit her “He didn’t do it and he was provoked”

BertrandRussell · 06/10/2019 23:09

On the basic misogyny training issue- when I was a young feminist in the 1970s, consciousness raising was considered an essential part of the deal. We knew that we had to rewrite our internal scripts. It’s one of the tragedies of our time that women are still working from the old scripts. Back then I genuinely thought they’d all have been rewritten by now.

LangCleg · 06/10/2019 23:16

consciousness raising was considered an essential part of the deal

It's a lost art, I'm sad to say.

BertrandRussell · 06/10/2019 23:20

I think I’ll go and read The Woman’s Room again and mourn my lost hope.

SallyGoRoundTheSun · 06/10/2019 23:25

Does conscious raising include training on lying about what another woman has said? as WineIceLolly still can't admit she lied in her post saying I didn't believe Edwardes about Johnston. Would she like me to find the post where I said I believed Edwardes about that?

Or is lying allowed if it suits your agenda?