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Why do women not believe other women (Boris Johnson story)

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Annasgirl · 01/10/2019 10:51

I came on to see if there was a thread on this, and there is a similar thread on the topic but it is based on giving out about George Galloway (I'm not in the UK so no real opinion on him except that I don't like him).

However, watching the Channel 4 news last night I was amazed at the number of people (women) who asked why the journalist did not raise this allegation earlier and questioning her integrity.

Now, these kinds of comments square with my impression that the greatest achievement of the patriarchy was to get women to compete always and ever against other women for the crumbs from the man's table. So, women have never been each others allies in the way that men were (war etc) and they instead belittle and criticise the woman in these scenarios instead of the men (see also, the constant criticism of the other woman and never of the married man; the lack of belief of women in rape trials; the lack of belief of women in MeToo; the list of senior female actresses who still defend Weinstein, and Polanski; the madams who procure women for creepy men - and on and on ad infinitum.

Until women put other women first there really will be no better future for our daughters and I find this incredibly sad. I grew up in a matriarchy and I have always encouraged and supported other women and girls throughout my life - I am just always saddened that this is the exception rather than the rule.

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/10/2019 06:25

In a "feminist to the bone" way though!

BeMoreMagdalen · 06/10/2019 07:14

Crikey, that's an... interesting ranty stream of incoherent posts in the middle of the night.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 06/10/2019 07:14

I now realise you are thick. I didn;t mention this creep once. Sad

Grin

itwasever properly lost it overnight. do we think drink was taken?

Grimbles · 06/10/2019 07:54

Well, that was, um... well...

Shock
SallyGoRoundTheSun · 06/10/2019 13:10

Charlotte Edwardes' Times article today is another pile of drivel. This time she is whinging about women accosting her celebrity boyfriend in a fawning, gushing, pawing way; which I do not believe happens in either the way or the frequency she describes.

She manages to be patronising, sexist and misogynistic ("busty panters) and ageist ("his little old lady fanbase")

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 06/10/2019 13:46

so you don't think johnson pawed her because she talks about women in a way you don't like

or is it that she's not allowed to talk about johnson pawing her for that reason?

SallyGoRoundTheSun · 06/10/2019 14:28

so you don't think johnson pawed her because she talks about women in a way you don't like

Please do not make things up- I think that might be called lying. I have said in my earlier posts I do believe her about the Johnstone incident. I don't care about it and I question that she actually cared, but at no point have I said I did not believe her. I expect an apology from you for lying about what I said won't be forthcoming.

I don't believe however that Peston is accosted by fawning, gushing "busty panters" on a daily basis.

SallyGoRoundTheSun · 06/10/2019 14:41

I see The Sunday Times has deleted every comment which was in any way critical of Edwardes' latest vacuous, sexist and ageist article.

You (general) you might try reading her "journalism" before you (general) fall over yourselves trying to defend her.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 06/10/2019 14:42

I expect an apology from you for lying about what I said won't be forthcoming

Grin

I don't believe however that Peston is accosted by fawning, gushing "busty panters" on a daily basis

Shock

now Sally, are you going to issue Edwardes with an apology for saying she's lying (since you seem to be big on apologies)?

SallyGoRoundTheSun · 06/10/2019 15:10

As expected you made up the comment that I said she lied about the Johnstone incident but you haven't the grace to admit it. Would you like me to find the post where I said I believed that?

Instead you twist what I said. Do you have a difficulty in understanding that it is possible to believe someone on one occasion and not on another?

I do think she is lying about Peston being accosted on a daily basis by "busty panters"

It is very funny seeing this board so determined to defend and overlook the casual sexism and ageism of Edwardes.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 06/10/2019 15:22

It is very funny seeing this board so determined to defend and overlook the casual sexism and ageism of Edwardes

don't believe I have done that? I just don't believe any sexism or ageism on her part has any bearing on whether or not it was legitimate for her to write abut what Johnson did

SallyGoRoundTheSun · 06/10/2019 15:38

You still can't bring yourself to admit you made up the bit about my not believing the Johnstone incident.

And I didn't say you were overlooking her casual sexism and ageism. I said this board was.

Edwardes refers to women as "Pneumatic interns" "busty panters" "Bambis" "little old ladies" "girls" yet the fact Johnstone squeezed her leg 20 years ago gets her a free pass on here.

You are correct her casual sexism and ageism has no bearing on whether she should be able to write about the incident. It has a bearing for me as to why I should pay the slightest attention to what she says or have any sympathy for her.

LangCleg · 06/10/2019 15:59

I don't believe however that Peston is accosted by fawning, gushing "busty panters" on a daily basis.

Shocking lack of deference to the Peston Penis of Brexit Doom there.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/10/2019 16:04

What I'm taking from this thread is that some believe feminists think that only women who we approve of should be protected from groping and other unwanted sexual behavior from men. This is a very odd idea and not at all reflective of what most feminists believe. A few people would really benefit from reading some Dworkin, imo.

SallyGoRoundTheSun · 06/10/2019 16:12

girl in a check shirt with big curls of hair appears, breathless

I’d say she’s, hmm, a decade younger than me. Lovely skin. Freckles. Heaving bosom

my boyfriend is as warm to the busty panters as he is to his little old lady fanbase, who watch him on the 6pm bulletin with their tea on their knees

If you don't have a Times subscription this is the sort of sexist, ageist guff Edwardes writes. Edwardes was born in 1973 but describes a woman a decade younger than her as "a girl"

Not sure what point LangCleg is making. Seems a bit of a non- sequitur but as Edwardes has made her second only Times article all about her boyfriend and how women are constantly throwing themselves at him she seems to be capitalising on the power of his penis.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 06/10/2019 16:12

What I'm taking from this thread is that some believe feminists think that only women who we approve of should be protected from groping and other unwanted sexual behaviour from men

mmm

funny way to feminist if you ask me

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/10/2019 16:15

And the myth of the mighty Peston cock continues...

I can't say I see the appeal myself but I guess there's someone for everyone.

SallyGoRoundTheSun · 06/10/2019 16:21

What I'm taking from recent posts on this thread is that some posters will lie about what another poster has said and won't admit to it.

Edwardes has had 20 years to talk about this. The Spectator was useful for her career. She was happy to play along at being "a Bambi" "pneumatic intern" "totty" when it suited her.

SallyGoRoundTheSun · 06/10/2019 16:23

funny way to feminist if you ask me

A bit like ignoring Edwardes own sexism?

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/10/2019 16:24

Like I said, women we don't approve of.

LangCleg · 06/10/2019 16:26

Not sure what point LangCleg is making.

I'm not making a point; I'm taking the piss. And not about Bob Peston's Stonking Great Wang.

HTH.

SallyGoRoundTheSun · 06/10/2019 16:27

TheProdigalKittensReturn

And the myth of the mighty Peston cock continues...

Oh my goodness- you aren't accusing Edwardes of lying surely? Her whole Times column today is about how terrible it is for her that women can't keep their hands off him. This happens every day. You are saying it's a myth? It can't be can it? She has said so.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/10/2019 16:28

Again, I'm not sure you're quite understanding some basic feminist concepts here. Lang, do you happen to have that Dworkin quote handy?

SallyGoRoundTheSun · 06/10/2019 16:36

I'm not making a point; I'm taking the piss. And not about Bob Peston's Stonking Great Wang

You didn't actually make a point. But perhaps you should post on Edwardes column.

She has made a whole Times column out of how irresistible he is. All those breathless, panting, bosomy "girls" pawing him- so tiresome.

LangCleg · 06/10/2019 16:38

Ta da!

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