Abortions

[ILikeyourHairyHands]

I'm not sure MN is the place for women to come for advice about abortions as so many forced-birthers or even 'I could never have an abortion" people/shills come on to every thread where a woman's in a terrible situation and is wavering.

I would advocate abortion in every circumstance a woman will be tied to an abusive man, I really hate the rhetoric that abortions are to be regretted or will cause pain. I think that the idea that abortions are or should be regretful or morally bound is very harmful to women.

Morally I agree with termination up until birth. I know that's an inflammatory position, but I think it's an humane one. And one that would be chosen by few desperate women.

But I think until the point of birth a woman must have volition in law.

I watched a video last week that I can't find now. A woman in her 30s, middle class, reasonable income, not sure she wants kids, etc.

She was sharing her trauma of having to go out of state to get a just shy of 28 week abortion.

She was so grateful that she now works for Planned Parenthood.

Babies are viable with good post natal care from 25 weeks now.

So for me, yeahnah. Exceptional circumstances? Sure, maybe, but she came across as entitled and self absorbed. Why the fuck could she not adopt her baby?

I'm gonna get slammed I know, but these late abortions do my head in. And give conservatives any easy target to point the finger at.

Of course, exceptional circumstances are different, but this woman has none.

How do you know she had none?

There's your forced-birther Hairy Absolutely nobody's business but that woman, who very responsibly decided not to have an unwanted child. We're not quite in Gilead yet.

And why should she not just be able to change her mind, at any point, about wanting to continue to gestate the foetus that had yet been born.

I agree with you OP.

No woman compelled or forced to continue a pregnancy at any stage.
Each of us sovereign of our own bodies.
Within my skin is my domain.
My health, my body, my decision.

I'm quite open about my abortions. I've had five, over 30 years of consensual sex. I accept I'm an outlier when it comes to numbers. I only speak because I've see the way abortions are spoken about. One is regretful but understandable, above that, judgements are made.

Two of mine were contraception failures, I was on the pill and took it carelessly once, the second I had antibiotics.

The other three? Two were burst condoms with my husband after which I took the morning after pill, to no effect.

The final was also with my husband, but it was careless, just lust at the wrong time.

So, five abortions, not particularly clever, but not devastating either. None of them have damaged me. I am very pleased that I am able to make the choices I did, and I think it's important woman can and do.

No woman compelled or forced to continue a pregnancy at any stage.

This is my position also.

But the key is access. Prompt, free access to terminations means that they take place earlier. In the UK, even with technical restrictions, generally prompt access results in terminations at:

Under 10 weeks 80%
10-12 weeks 11%
13-18 weeks 7%
19+ weeks 2%

And most of that 2% are exigent circumstances such as concealed pregnancies in young teens, late diagnosis of catastrophic foetal disability, threat of life to mother.

Uh-huh.

MN full of forced birthers.... nope.

In 3 posts saying abortion till birth is aok till birth, in two of them...

I'm wary of op tbh.

Xposts with op

Still wary.

I also think contraceptive choices are shit for women. Most of my unwanted pregnancies happened after my children were born and hormonal contraception was no longer an option.

No! Don't be wary of me. I've been here for 13 years.

I see.
How many children do you have?
Why was hormonal contraception not an option?

I had an abortion at 8 weeks, I used a condom, it split, I used the MAP within hours, it didn't work. I had an abortion. I'm still in the same relationship we're now married actually. I don't regret it one single bit. I didn't want a child I did everybting in my power not to have a child. Even now we're still on the fence about children

Sorry fairly new here. What does 'Xposts' mean Fragg?

I'd like to add I opted for an abortion ad soon as I found out- at 3 weeks and it took that long to get one

While i was writing, person i was responding to posted again.

Xposts is fairly standard lingo.

Sorry that sounded arsey.

Just got alarm bells all over op.

Very few women when talking about abortion start out with, till birth. Just. Not sure.

I've got two Fraggling and it wasn't an option because I'm a smoker and was 36 when my youngest was born. I tried the mini-pill (as is the only allowed pill for over 30-year-old smokers), and I packed on weight like mad and felt horrible, emotionally.

Good been here for 13 years op and you think mn is full of forced birthers.

That's just bollocks.

And I've always, morally thought if abortion is acceptable, it is acceptable at any point.

I really believe in abortion until birth.

I believe completely in women's ownership of their womb.

I ain't no shill!

I don't think it's full of them, but I'm seeing more and more, yes.

I'm not keen on women having to explain why they had an abortion (split condoms, couldn't take the pill...). It's your private decision, you carry the moral responsibility, you are a free adult, it's your body. I trust women to have made a necessary decision. And quite right Lang, late abortion is really hard for those women and girls, and rare. It's a personal decision and should be shame-free, surely?

Fraggling I'm not your enemy.

I am someone who is very honest. I see no shame in abortion. I see no harm in abortion. I see abortion as a good for women.

My honesty is an outlier. I know that. But, it's honest. I'm not sure how one can be more honest...

They have always been here. But in small numbers and shouted down.

You keep going on about abortion till birth.

This is an extreme, political view.

In real life, when abortion is available, majority are vv early.
Late term are rare. And for upsetting reasons.

You keep saying till birth. For any reason. Like, focussing on it.

Yeah. Not sure at al
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I’ve never had an abortion myself, I don’t think I could but I perhaps never had circumstances that other women have had.

I totally agree with abortion though, a woman’s body is her body and it is entirely her choice. Abortion should be easily accessible to all women. If you don’t agree with abortion fine don’t have one but don’t tell anyone else what they can and can’t do with their bodies.

I have a friend I’ve had to distance myself from as she posts loads of SPUC stuff on FB with photos of foetuses and emotive terms likes murder of babies and has made personal attack’s at me saying I care about animals more than dead babies (I’m vegan).