Gender Dysphoria and Children: An Endocrinologist’s Evaluation of I am Jazz

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This is a very interesting article which evaluates, point for point, the book I am Jazz.

www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2018/04/21220/?fbclid=IwAR3rD5yqhydMeHdyaOxrXmx8c-rStXursNyZFRR0Hr6A-9C82fiP2VTev1g

A testimony worth hearing is Rene Jax

Decades of hormones don't seem to do your body much good.

Also the brave and honest Leanne Mills

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6493959/Transsexual-warn-reality-transexual.html

(Trying to channel my inner-R0wan I googled Mailonline and was amazed at how many different stories came up with the words "transgender regrets". Some obviously is Mail slant, but there testimonies from a surprising number of individuals, enough to suggest gatekeeping and caution.)

@LisaVito, since you're still banging on about 'best practice', can you give me the explanation I asked for 3 days ago, right at the beginning of this thread:

And Lisa, please explain why you think a child with a physically healthy body having massive amounts of medical and surgical intervention which makes them sterile is better than letting them go through puberty naturally and have a complete and functioning reproductive system and healthy sexual organs which will allow them to have a healthy and fulfilling life as an adult.

A reminder that hormones are powerful drugs, and treatment needs to be carefully monitored.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48102578

LisaVito, are you still claiming to be new to all this?

LisaVito - you're not big on posting links (except for the occasional little video) so I'm not always sure what you are referring to. You claim Mermaids was cleared, that's not exactly right, is it, as was pointed out above and as for the thorough debunking is this the statement you were referring to? www.brown.edu/news/2019-03-19/gender But really, post links if you are so sure of your facts. We're all busy people!
Also with the undisputed huge increase in GIDS services it may mean the the needs and clientele have changed from what was previously accepted.

Other treatments have been considered, other treatments have been used, the current best practice is the practice that has shown to be the best. It's very simple.

No, it’s not simple.

Post a good evidence link showing puberty blockers are better than other treatments.

Post a link showing puberty blockers have been compared to psychological therapy alone and came out superior.

Post a link that accurately dismisses the work of Heneghan and Biggs.

The whole POINT of the complaint here is what is considered “best practice” and what is touted as “best practice” and what is being carried out as “best practice” is a complete and utter sham.

If “best practice” is one that leaves children with no sexual function, no fertility and life long complications of medical and/or therapy, what is “worst practice”?

Lisa Littman’s Study hasn’t been ‘thoroughly debunked’ AT ALL.

It’s been fully republished with minimal changes (results section had no changes made at all)

This is the up to date version: journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0202330

I wonder why trans ‘boys’ aren’t offered ovarian biopsy and storage of tissue when prescribed puberty blockers?

Girls getting the exact same drugs as part of cancer therapy are. I know of a 6 month old baby who recently had it done...

It’s almost like clinicians treating trans kids give less fucks about their patients future happiness than paediatric oncologists do.

@LisaVito, you you also have not answered the question I put to you on Page 4:

You said earlier that the pain of gender dysphoria is so great it is worth all the risks and suffering associated with genital surgery.

I'd like you to read the article below on phalloplasty and tell me if you still think it is "worth it", considering that the results are almost always extremely disappointing, and do not fulfill the patient's desire to achieve a male body, and guarantee a life of extreme pain.

Just as genital surgery to recreate a vagina also never works. Do you really thing the patients, long term, are happy, considering they still do not get the body they wanted, and never will?

So: is it worth it?
Read the website before replying.

thetransgendertruth.wixsite.com/mysite/post/ftmbottom-phalloplasty-dream-realty-the-wild-wild-west-of-transgender-surgery

I saw this posted on twitter recently.

www.optionsri.org/post/a-letter-on-rapid-onset-gender-dysphoria

Clicky link

thetransgendertruth.wixsite.com/mysite/post/ftmbottom-phalloplasty-dream-realty-the-wild-wild-west-of-transgender-surgery

Thread about this blog

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3675351-When-FtM-surgery-goes-wrong-Scott-trying-to-raise-awareness

Sounds like someone has been reading Rachel McKinnon's thesis - 'reasonable assertions: on norms of assertions and why you don't need to know what you are talking about.'
Or just attempting to sow seeds of doubt in gender critical arguments by alleging things like mermaids being cleared and problems with the litmann paper without providing a shred of evidence.

I was not aware Mermaids had been investigated so how they can be described as 'cleared' is beyond me.

I mean, I tend to keep up with current affairs. I definitely noticed when Kids Company were investigated.

Oh Lisa.

It's people who spout your line The current best practice is the practice that has shown to be the best. It's very simple who have persuaded a lovely young girl I've known for years that at 19, she's better off without her breasts and her fertility, and recovering from massive unnecessary surgery instead of charging boisterously around the countryside as usual.

We are all pretending like mad that this was a reasonable decision because who would be the one, now, to say 'What a stupid thing to do to yourself'?

Yes, it's not so simple.

'The Position Statement from the Royal College of General Practitioners (June 2019) acknowledges the lack of research into different approaches in the clinical management of gender dysphoria in youth:

‘The promotion and funding of independent research into the effects of various forms of interventions (including ‘wait and see’ policies) for gender dysphoria is urgently needed, to ensure there is a robust evidence base which GPs and other healthcare professionals can rely upon when advising patients and their families. There are currently significant gaps in evidence for nearly all aspects of clinical management of gender dysphoria in youth. Urgent investment in research on the impacts of treatments for children and young people is needed’.12'

Which is what I said above.

Jazz has gone through what a lot of transwomen do, there is nothing so outlandish or unusual

Except that those were ADULTS, making presumably informed decisions, for whatever reason. This poor CHILD could not possibly have the capacity to be informed about any of this and it is appalling.

That’s the thing that is simple, Lisa .

"All new to this" to raging trans activist in such a short time! 🤔

Yet the brave and stunning always ignore this.
This never happened. This doesn't exist.

A professor of evidence based medicine at Oxford university? Doesn't exist. La la la la la la la la

blogs.bmj.com/bmjebmspotlight/2019/02/25/gender-affirming-hormone-in-children-and-adolescents-evidence-review/

Me? I prefer not to condone experiments on children, maybe that's because I'm not trying to validate myself.

Jazz, has been suffering documented gender dysphoria for 13 years.

I found this statement interesting. Because when I first became aware of Jazz, I scoured the Internet to find out why they were considered trans and I only found the words gender dysphoria mentioned once.

There was a lot of stuff about Jazz wanting to wear a tutu, though.

I sincerely hope that impression is erroneous, so if anyone has (dated), evidence that jazz was suffering from gender dysphoria at age 5, can they post it?

This interview with Littman from March of this year is very interesting in terms of the controversies around her article (it was largely unchanged despite an unusually rigorous review.)

quillette.com/2019/03/19/an-interview-with-lisa-littman-who-coined-the-term-rapid-onset-gender-dysphoria/

Best practices developed globally, and endorsed by various trans groups

Lisa, you left out a comma. Your statement should read:

Best practices developed globally, and endorsed, by various trans groups

The so-called “best practice” has been heavily influenced by non- medic transitioners in WPATH. Transitioners should not have a direct influence on medical treatment any more than anorexic patients.

Outcomes of transition are important, but those outcomes need to reflect ALL outcomes. Not just those who feel their transition was a success. Thus the results need to be observed and collated by impartial experts, whose livelihood does not depend upon them proving they are right. Hence the reason I would place more faith in what is coming out of the Tavistock, than in any gender clinic in the US.

Given that such clinics are popping up everywhere, I conclude that this is a highly profitable area of medicine. Any highly profitable enterprise will attract charlatans.

Medicine has a history of going far wrong when money is the principle driver.

It's striking that there does seem to be people raising the spectre of 'big pharma', is this cause so aligned with both David Icke and Info wars?

I'm a long-time lurker and enjoy both sides of this discussion but felt moved to post about what somebody posted above.

Jazz has had an unwavering gender identity since she was a child, this is well documented, on her medical records, and is stillpresenting with the same gender identity as an adult.

Somebody wishes to suggest that Jazz maybe isnt actually trans or have gender dysphoria, but maybe wanted to wear a tutu?

Is that really the depths of somebodys GC argument to attack the suffering of a child and suggest the emotional turmoil and distress as a well-documented symptom of Gender Dyphoria, was not real probably because of tutu's??

I would suggest if anybody had a semblance of decency that post would be deleted. It's offensive and puerile.

Point (partly) taken, Magnolia, except that:
--Jazz has lived an on-screen life for years. Where is the privacy to reflect on his or her gender identity?
--Jazz has described having a (regression? hypnotherapy? Can't remember exactly) dream about walking down a street in another life as a happy gay man.
--The tutu is not some imagined thing but what Jazz's family have said themselves: 'after seeing her sadness over not being allowed to wear a tutu like the rest of the girls at her dance recital, they decided to fully embrace her transition'.

Jazz is trans, Jazz is/was gender dysphoric.

Other details don't change those details above.

It would take a serious amount of bewilderment to think otherwise.

LisaVito You clearly have not studied the available literature on children with gender dysphoria.

The research has shown that it is impossible to predict which children will persist and which will desist. Some with the strongest insistence have desistance, some with the most borderline presentation have persisted into adulthood.

The mechanism which separates the wheat from the chaff and resolves gender dysphoria for those who desist is puberty. By blocking puberty, the natural process that aids children in reconciling with their bodies is prevented.

This is an emerging understanding of this wholly unexpected effect of puberty blockers that has been discussed among the experts since about 2015. No solution has been proposed other than to return to the best international practice of watchful waiting.

Puberty blockers ensure only one positive outcome: better aesthetic results for male children who identify as trans.

Everything else: arrested brain development, heart problems, bone density problems, sterility, sexual dysfunction, lower IQ, memory problems and a whole range of other health issues are wholly unwarranted, unjustified negatives.

Claiming that a five year old who has never felt sexual desire and who still believes in all manner of imaginary things has the same competence as a sexually mature adult (who can furthermore preserve fertility via the usual means) to decide to give up sexual function and fertility is utterly ludicrous.