Gender Dysphoria and Children: An Endocrinologist’s Evaluation of I am Jazz

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This is a very interesting article which evaluates, point for point, the book I am Jazz.

www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2018/04/21220/?fbclid=IwAR3rD5yqhydMeHdyaOxrXmx8c-rStXursNyZFRR0Hr6A-9C82fiP2VTev1g

LisaVito

When we listen to the transphobic media

Can you explain how any news publication could raise concerns about the medical treatment of children and not be considered “transphobic” by you?

it is very evident these practioners have been ignoring best practices evolved over a number of years.

What is best practice, what is the evidence for it, and how does what the Tavistock has been doing any different?

has countless evidence of young adults still suffering the same gender dyshoria they experienced as children, and thriving

So why, if gender dysphoria persists, is it necessary to use puberty blockers and cross sex hormones in children for the treatment of gender dysphoria?

there are trade offs.

Are you honestly saying that part of the “trade off” of being a “trans” kid vs a “cis” kid is you have to enter adulthood without any sexual functioning? That’s just an acceptable “trade off”, casual shrug?

Trans people are overwhelmingly happier post transition than pre-transition.

Can you provide a link to the journal article that has followed children long term and assessed their post-transition satisfaction?

and to frame her treatment as a disaster, also false.

What is your definition of success? How do you assess that an 18 year old who has only been going through this treatment for the last 5 years has been a success, or not a disaster? Why do you think multiple experimental surgeries with complications isn’t a disaster?

And who will happily credit that brutal surgery and trade-offs for overall happiness

Are those who are not happy given a voice? Do you ignore all those who have posted regret? If, like Jazz, your whole life is about how positive this is, when do you get to say maybe it isn’t?

I think it's disingenuous to start inventing notions of how Jazz may feel later.

It’s also horribly shocking that you aren’t able to see the long term consequences of these actions and because a kid is happy now means that the problem is solved. Your short term view is appalling, and it’s this type of thinking which has led to this situation; no one has stopped to think about what things might be like in 20-30 years time.

So what’s best practice Lisa? Evidence? Links?

It’s also horribly shocking that you aren’t able to see the long term consequences of these actions and because a kid is happy now means that the problem is solved

A kid who in the star of a massive reality TV show. And on whom, their entire family rely for their income. Not just rely on them, but rely on them being a happily transitioned child.

Yes.

“Jazz seems perfectly happy in that heavily edited tv show that is the centre of Jazz’s life and family income, ergo the evidence for puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and surgery for children and young adults is sound. Move over New England Journal of Medicine, the Lifestyle Channel is in town!”

As I said Jazz is one trans kids, there are thousands of them around the globe, thriving.

I can assure people I don't get my information off youtube.
It is eminently simple to find out best practice for trans youth.
Not just youtube, but also google.

Best practices developed globally, and endorsed by various trans groups are available to any search engine.
I think mermaids may have it.
These are the best practices developed globally over a number of years, and improving as we go. The experts are in place to make those calls, and most people who don't believe in mad conspiracy theories would accept that too.

Jazz is one such example....and probably in many ways an outlier.

But there are literally thousands of happy thriving trans kids on public platforms who are now adults.

Hey we all have opinions, and I have my own.

I do struggle with some of the logic sometimes that some people have chosen to view the same facts as me through.

And whilst I would never agree with the more outthere conspiracy elements that pop up here and there, and I do find this board fascinating.

Best practices developed globally, and endorsed by various trans groups are available to any search engine.
I think mermaids may have it.

Are you suggesting that we should get our information from mermaids, Lisa?

The whole reality show has to end with Jazz’s “happiness” though, doesn’t it? Jazz’s mother decided Jazz was trans from 3 years because of you know, toys and clothes. Then everything since - blockers, cross sex hormones and surgery has been leading towards Jazz finally getting her vagina.

Jazz has shown signs of distress during the process with depression and disordered eating. The disordered eating coincided with the cross sex hormones and Jazz developing breasts. Yet how could Jazz get off the trans train that the whole family were so heaving invested in? Jazz’s mother baked a penis cake before Jazz’s surgery - that’s really normal!

And Jazz doesn’t have a vagina, it’s a wound made from skin from the gut and her thigh and the pre pubertal penis. It’s a hole that may or may not withstand actual sex, with no sexual sensation which doesn’t matter because Jazz has no libido, having never gone through appropriate puberty. Jazz is infertile. It will get infected and it will smell.

In 10 years’ time Jazz won’t be the cute, reality show darling and the actual impact of all this will be obvious.

Where some people see a path to happiness and validation I see child abuse.

It's completely insane that games, activities and clothing preferences has any bearing on anyone believing they're in the 'wrong body'. And doubly insane that it's mentioned on the NHS website.
Nobody seems able to define "feeling' like a woman or man without resorting to mentioning the above. I'd venture no woman or man has exactly the same preferences in these areas anyway so how can you say you 'feel' like one or the other on that sense without it just being about conforming to stereotypes. We need the strength to say bullshit to the stereotypes

Not just youtube, but also google.

Ah. I see. Don't listen to endocrinologists or the Tavistock clinic, but rely on the truly objective experts mentioned above.

These are the best practices developed globally over a number of years, and improving as we go. The experts are in place to make those calls, and most people who don't believe in mad conspiracy theories would accept that too.

I quoted the NHS UK's GIDS and Carl Henegan, an Oxford professor in Evidence Based Medicine.

Datun recently quoted Michael Biggs, another Oxford professor.

The article in the OP is by Michael Laidlaw, an medical doctor specialising in endocrinology.

We've provided links to our sources.

Where are yours?

If you submitted an essay and in your efforts to back up the medical facts/expert opinions you claim within it you just write: "maybe Mermaids," "not just YouTube also Google," "anyone with a search engine can find this," "here's another video of a 'happy' trans kid," etc.

Well, I gather you'd fail that assignment.

To echo previous posters: Who are you going by? What "experts" are you citing?

Here's a handy YouTube video of a BBC Newsnight investigation into GIDS and puberty blockers, with Prof Biggs in it:

Best practices developed globally, and endorsed by various trans groups are available to any search engine.

Ohhh, by 'best practice' you mean, 'say yes to everything unquestioningly'. Sorry, I thought you meant actual research.

Mermaids??

🤣🤣🤣

If you think Mermaids has the answers, you’re not asking the right questions.

Questions that Mermaids has the answers to:

• I wish to circumvent UK law to obtain hormones and surgery for my child. How should I go about it?

• Can you explain gender using regressive stereotypes?

• I’m keen to manipulate data to make my point. Can you show me how?

• I have no IT qualifications and a notoriously lackadaisical attitude to website security. Is there a job for me?

• I know you can’t really tell me what I need to say in clinic to get the treatment I want for my child , but do you have forums where I can ask the, ahem, experiences of others?

• How much is a return trip to Thailand with medical stay and treatments included?

• Do any of your staff or supporters have experience with vexatious legal complaints against trans people who don’t say the right thing?

Mermaids - the trans charity that persecuted a transsexual?

They know fuck all about ‘best practice’

• what is the name of the doctor you recommend who sterilised a 12 year old and has been convicted of criminally running an unlicensed clinic?

@LisaVito, you said earlier that the pain of gender dysphoria is so great it is worth all the risks and suffering associated with genital surgery.

I'd like you to read the article below on phalloplasty and tell me of you still think it is "worth it", considering that the results are almost always extremely disappointing, and do not fulfill the patient's desire to achieve a male body, and guarantee a life of extreme pain. Just as genital surgery to recreate a vagina also never works. Do you really thing the patients, long term, are happy, considering they still do not get the body they wanted, and never will?

thetransgendertruth.wixsite.com/mysite/post/ftmbottom-phalloplasty-dream-realty-the-wild-wild-west-of-transgender-surgery

I don't think many people realise just how many disorders are created by our society. Many anxiety disorders wouldn't exist in a healthy society. Anorexia wouldn't exist
Gender dysphoria shouldn't be a thing. Boys and girls should not be constrained by stereotyoes
And once we have people working in the field there is a need for it to grow to keep them in work

• I had a little giggle at the size of my child’s penis before it was surgically removed. Is this a normal reaction?

NotBadConsidering

LisaVito, your blind faith in the medical profession and pharma industry is frankly terrifying.
You're basically saying, all the published evidence for this treatment path says it has negative outcomes, but doctors have declared it best practice and I'm sure they know what they're doing

Can I suggest you read 'Bad Science' by Ben Goldacre? Just the chapter on medicine and drug trials would do, it'll only take 20mins and it might even save your own life one day when you're choosing whether to consent to a medical treatment. 'Bad Pharma' would be even better, but obvs way longer.

I actually work in the pharma industry and I'm telling you not to trust them!

I really find it insightful that TRA can never respond to the report on puberty blockers by the professor of evidence based medicine at Oxford university. It's almost as if it doesn't exist.... but wait, it does.

As for this little gotcha:
LisaVito

I would say a trans kid is understood as a person of minority age who meets the diagnostic criteria for Gender Dysphoria (dsm) or Gender Incongruence (ICD).

You see that's absolute bollocks. I know several kids labelled as trans who DO NOT FIT the diagnostic criteria. Why do you think people like me are so bloody scared about this? I've worked with children over 25 years and I'm telling you right here, right now, that this is only a decision a fully mature, mentally stable, adult should take.

Rose of Dawn (trans, knew before reaching teen age) has just put out a video about trans kids.

Rose is very doubtful of the diagnostic criteria for kids, as it’s way more ambiguous than the criteria for adults.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=4MDbQTElWb8

(I wish all the nonsense about lady brains were true, then diagnosis could be made via MRI scan. Medical conditions should have medical tests)

I know several kids labelled as trans who DO NOT FIT the diagnostic criteria

I suspect most 'trans kids' don't, and haven't had any sort of objective diagnosis. It only takes the child her or himself to self declare as trans for everyone around them to accept that they are, and schools start changing their name on school records and changing pronouns when talking about the child.

The indulgence of a child's fantasy or delusion in the form of 'social transition' is seen as harmless and even helpful to the child. It is not.