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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Manchester pride usual 8 plus 3 extra

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Bespin · 24/08/2019 17:36

Looks like the usual people turned up for a photo op at Manchester pride, though to be fare there were 11 not 8 as usual.

Carry on protesting because its a good reminder of the actual numbers if that is all the people that can protest the second biggest pride in the UK.

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Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 25/08/2019 18:46

nterestingly, only 11% of gay men and only 3% of straight men would consider dating anyone trans, of either sex, but oddly no one’s calling them transphobic bigots

I did check with the two gay men currently in my living room and they did not seem keen on vagina at all...in the slightest

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 25/08/2019 18:46

I said it more subtly than

Do you like vagina

Obvs

ErrolTheDragon · 25/08/2019 19:04
  • 29% of lesbians said they’d date trans persons. But of those 29%, 38% said they wouldn’t date a transwoman, meaning only 17% of lesbians are even open to the possibility.

So it seems that the majority of this sample were both homosexual and homogenderal. I'd guess most people's sexuality and 'genderality' align.

Stopthisnow · 25/08/2019 19:06

Long before all this Queer theory nonsense started, I heard many lesbians over the years say they preferred the word gay (or occasionally, sapphic) to lesbian, as they said they felt the word lesbian had too many negative connotations. I always thought that what they were missing is that the meaning of the word lesbian is what confers the negative connotations, not the word itself, any word that means women who reject males sexually and partner with females, will eventually have the same negative social connotations. That the word lesbian has negative connotations, simply because it means women who exclude males from our sexuality, any word that replaced it would quickly garner the same negative connotations, as it is the meaning as viewed by men that is seen as negative (rejecting males sexually as a group) not the word itself.

For example, homosexual females have always been viewed as “man haters”, I have lost count of the amount of times “man hating lesbian” has been used to demonise women, even women who are not lesbians but speak out about male sexual entitlement are often called “man hating lesbians” in order to demonise them and make them to afraid to speak out. Men have just found another way to say it, now they say lesbians are “transphobic” if we refuse males sexual access to us, the same as they say all women are “transphobic” or “kink shaming” etc, if they speak about male sexual entitlement. It is the same old male sexual entitlement, they simply have dressed it up as if the men who are being refused are somehow being discriminated against.

It is females who do not include males in our sexuality that men hate the most, it is actually a reversal when they accuse us of hating them, it is also interesting that females excluding males from our sexuality is in itself seen as hate by males. They then extend this to all of their fetishes, so it becomes hate “kink shaming” for a woman to refuse any sexual practice a man desires. At root it all comes back to the same thing, if women do not do what men sexually desire, or criticise men’s sexual entitlement then we are hateful “man haters”/“transphobes”/“kink shamers”/“prudes” etc.

Women who include men in their sexuality are socially accepted by men, it is only women who do not include males in our sexuality who are seen as truly hateful by men. I think considering the way that bisexuality is being pushed by queer theorists and the alphabet soup, having more people publicly saying how great it is to be bi is not going to help anything. What we really need is for more women to publicly declare that it is fine for women to reject males sexually as a group, that it is not hateful or phobic. I think that would be good for both lesbians ourselves and other women, as it would help to establish stronger sexual boundaries.

Women in general should not be socially shamed for having sexual boundaries towards men, and insisting males should not cross them, I think that is true whether we talking about lesbians saying no to males as a group, or women saying no to particular “kinks” or sexual practices of men. What we have at present is that women are being socially shamed for having sexual boundaries, and men are being seen as the victims of the women who are asserting their sexual boundaries. This needs to change and men who wish to violate women’s boundaries need to be the ones who are socially shamed. This will only happen, in my view, if we get the message out that it is healthy and good to have sexual boundaries that males can not cross, regardless of how sad they claim it makes them feel.

spinninghag · 25/08/2019 19:22

it is healthy and good to have sexual boundaries that males can not cross, regardless of how sad they claim it makes them feel.

I really could not agree more with this.

Thank you for a great post, Stopthisnow

Michelleoftheresistance · 25/08/2019 20:18

What we have at present is that women are being socially shamed for having sexual boundaries, and men are being seen as the victims of the women who are asserting their sexual boundaries.

Exactly.

See the really staggering comments made about women 'gatekeeping their vaginas'.... as if this is some awful selfish thing to do! The dehumanisation of women is really staggering.

Cross reference it with incel forums and posts, there is no difference in the thinking. Women are walking bodies that belong to men for sexual use.

Michelleoftheresistance · 25/08/2019 20:22

Note: I won't share screenshots of the above, they're truly nasty thinking by people who loathe and resent women. However if you have a strong stomach and want proof just google 'gatekeeping vagina'.

BlackForestCake · 25/08/2019 22:14

Talking of walking bodies, someone at Manchester Pride actually made and paraded with this representation of a vagina on legs.

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Creepster · 25/08/2019 22:21

Am I correct in guessing those are the proud pimps and pornographers?

Justhadathought · 25/08/2019 22:28

There were lots of cheers from lesbians and overall the people shouting abuse were given a bit of a wide bearth. Lots of lesbians refused to meet our eyes like they knew we were right but they could not get involved in the fight

I'm so pleased that the protests were made and consciously registered. People really need to wake up to the issues.

Justhadathought · 25/08/2019 22:38

I posted a thread from my point of view, which is different to yours. as lots of the treads are different from my point of view. I don't to around telling you you can not post them on here do I?

You post on here to antagonise....You know this is a meeting place for GC people...Why else would you post here? If you provoke you will get a response commensurate to your provocation. Take responsibility.

Justhadathought · 25/08/2019 22:41

Talking of walking bodies, someone at Manchester Pride actually made and paraded with this representation of a vagina on legs.

That image is hideous...and it made all of the local mainstream press too.....what on earth?

Aberhonddu · 25/08/2019 22:49

Women in general should not be socially shamed for having sexual boundaries towards men, and insisting males should not cross them, I think that is true whether we talking about lesbians saying no to males as a group, or women saying no to particular “kinks” or sexual practices of men. What we have at present is that women are being socially shamed for having sexual boundaries, and men are being seen as the victims of the women who are asserting their sexual boundaries. This needs to change and men who wish to violate women’s boundaries need to be the ones who are socially shamed. This will only happen, in my view, if we get the message out that it is healthy and good to have sexual boundaries that males can not cross, regardless of how sad they claim it makes them feel
This should to be repeated over and over again.

Aberhonddu · 25/08/2019 22:51

Thanks to Stopthisnow
Great post

spinninghag · 25/08/2019 23:04

Talking of walking bodies, someone at Manchester Pride actually made and paraded with this representation of a vagina on legs.

Hang on! Isn't that the BBC3 logo on the "underwear"?

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CraftyWoman · 25/08/2019 23:11

I look forward to the debrief with the rest of the Lancs Resisters very soon. These women are absolute sheros, so thanks for posting your snarky nasty little thread Bespin it's been a hoot watching how much it's backfired.

No doubt you'll be there at Leeds, with your friends in their masks again.

Redshoeblueshoe · 25/08/2019 23:54

I'm very surprised that the other demonstration at Manchester Pride has not been mentioned.
You can find it by looking at the Manchester Evening News site, and looking at Anthony Cotton (he told them to do one)
But these were Men saying homosexuality was a sin - or something.
So of course they are not as bad as actual lesbians, who don't do dick
I fucking despair ! ! !

MagneticSingularity · 26/08/2019 02:43

Another upvote (or like or whatever the mumsnet equivalent is) for Stopthisnow. Brilliant post, just brilliant.

2BthatUnnoticed · 26/08/2019 07:45

I’ve been thinking about this thread - I support freedom of speech and agree with diverse views, including unpopular ones, being able to be expressed.

However. I feel like the purpose of the opening post was specifically to denigrate a few brave women (including two who had been trans) and I feel that is kind of odd (?) for a feminist board! It has turned into a valuable thread though, and full of respect to those brave protesters.

Onwards, sisters.

Birdsfoottrefoil · 26/08/2019 08:21

homosexuality was a sin - or something

And that sin has a new name: transphobia

ChattyLion · 26/08/2019 08:22

women are being socially shamed for having sexual boundaries, and men are being seen as the victims of the women who are asserting their sexual boundaries. This needs to change and men who wish to violate women’s boundaries need to be the ones who are socially shamed.
This will only happen, in my view, if we get the message out that it is healthy and good to have sexual boundaries that males can not cross, regardless of how sad they claim it makes them.

THIS 100%^ Stopthisnow is so right. This message should be the core ethos of any organisation that claims to support children, young people and women (or any organisation that wishes not to be dangerously actively or naively or complacently working AGAINST the interests of these groups...)

Yet a quick look at the regulatory capture thread on here or pretty much anywhere on this FWR Board shows so many women posting with daily examples of kids, young people’s and women’s interests, spaces, rights, privacy, safety, dignity being fucked over purely to serve male sexual entitlement and male emotional validation. Often by organisations who consider themselves to be ethical and pride themselves on being inclusive of everyone.

Fuck that. Flowers to everyone on here who is calling these organisations out on this each time, thank you for your energy and time. Keep Your Penis out of the Ladies’!

PS yup that’s looking exactly like the BBC3 logo on the disembodied ‘walking vagina on brown-skinned legs’ Shock (or is it meant to be ‘male genitals in drag’- indicated by the campy shoes and flesh coloured opaque tights?) whatever- If that reductive, women-hating thing is official and licence-fee-funded then that is a whole other new depth of woman- hating vileness from them...

However I might give the BBC the benefit of the doubt and email them to say are they aware that some freelance misogynists seem to have stolen their corporate logo, and placed it on a misogynistic image of women reduced to their genitalia and presented in a stereotypically sexualised dressed up for the general male gaze way with the uncovered legs, eyelashy Hmm no pubic hair cutesy cartoony ‘heart’ presented genital area and ludicrously high heels? Will the BBC lawyers have a legal go at whoever did this thing with their logo on if it wasn’t them?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 26/08/2019 08:24

Hasn’t praise being going on since June? How much longer! I’ve got rainbow fatigue...

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 26/08/2019 08:24

Pride not praise. Hmmmmm

TruthOnTrial · 26/08/2019 08:44

Also rainbow fatigued. Having travelled a lot during this time, we had to check the dates for Pride as it seems to have extended across the whole summer now. Its has got totally out of control as its running whenever wherever,and its promoting porn.

The images I've seen of children handling ridiculous length dicks, and watching gimps, S&M type behaviour/promotion is illegal afaik!!!

DC should not be exposed to this seedy side of life.

How is this going on, why are police and authorities standing back and letting porn promote itself to children unchallenged.

This makes police and authorities absolutely complicit in these acts against DC.

When did celebrating gay become pornographic?!

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 26/08/2019 08:49

Yes I saw the purple willy! Not sure where that was taken. And the man dogs - always with the little kids patting them.

And don’t get me started on the ‘police can’t dance at Notting hill carnival’ edicts - when are covered in rainbows and glitter, have uniform modifications and panda cars painted (unicorn cars) and tweet anti ‘t**f’ comments and comments against lesbian protests at every pride march going. Sinister.

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