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Transsexual women face erasure

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joannegosling2 · 16/08/2019 22:45

It's a fine state of affairs isn't it?

Please - before the administrators axe this post, at least hear me out.

August 2019 - Transsexual women (not the self ID-seeking transgender - I refer to those of us who surgically transition lock, stock and barrel under strict medical supervision but whose narratives have been appropriated by the TG activists and advertised as their own) now being clobbered by feminists, not only here but every where else on the internet too, whether it be on TGN or this new Spinster group I've heard about. I understand the voice of feminism on the latter has reached unseen heights of extremism.

In fact, if I may say, equally as extreme as the trans activists whom feminists have been resisting for quite some time now. But what a difference a week makes. It seems they are now mounting a full-on attack on their own allies - we transsexuals (who are no less
appalled by the behaviour of the transgenderists and feel equally threatened by them), suggesting we are exactly like those same people with no respect at all for women. AND IT IS CATCHING ON.

They insult us further by calling us men and insisting we submit to male pronouns and acknowledge the absurd assumption that we benefit from male privilege (whatever that is, I surely never realized there was any).

For the zillionth time WE are NOT the problem. This entire farce was started by the self ID demands of the TG crowd. It is true - and we recognise - that women are fighting for their rights as never before. But regrettably there are certain feminist agitators who now see this as a golden opportunity to rid the streets and social life of not only
cross-dressing men who seek to enter their spaces but transsexuals too. To this end they have petitioned MPs to scrap the Gender Recognition Act which affords some legal protection to us...which by happy coincidence (though for different reasons) is exactly what their enemies demand also.

So here the two opposing sides have found common ground, and the politicians, having had the wool pulled over their eyes by the TRAs using narratives stolen from us, are joyfully legislating to bring peace and harmony to our troubled society. Cross-dressers will have their self ID on condition they respect segregated spaces and women will be safe from men in their toilets. And we will all live happily ever after.

Not so for us transsexuals. Someone somewhere has decided that we must be the sacrificial lamb to enable this to happen. We must cease to exist as a group. And not existing together with self ID being in place means it will be deemed no longer appropriate to transition via surgical means. Consequently all such treatment, once tailored purely for he needs of transsexuals, will vanish forever.

I hear women repeat over and over that they were never consulted about 'old-school' transsexuals using their spaces like we have done for years. Since in all probability many of you here weren't even born when I had my operation some 30 years ago that would have been rather difficult. And besides I don't recall being consulted about these outrageous proposals to erase me and my compatriots from society. There are certain well-known individuals on social media claiming to be transsexual but who eagerly cow to feminist insistence that they be labelled men. If they are happy to be blokes, fine. But they
certainly do NOT speak for most of us. I will NOT degrade myself in that way just to please others - nor to seek validation.

Personally it matters little whether women accept me or not. They never did when I was trying my best to present myself in the male role either. That used to hurt me a lot. But now I've grown harder. If the feminists treat their allies worse than they do their enemies, then they do not deserve allies. Whilst still supporting women's concerns in general, transsexuals are also entitled to fight for their existence - especially in the face of so many seeking their total erasure.

I believe feminists have singled us out for one simple reason. Thanks to our years of serious and medicated transitioning (unlike the TG community) many of us pass so well women cannot tell should they brush by us in their toilets. (If you have they're most probably cross-dressers). This I feel is what irks them most as it makes it near impossible to keep us out. So the fewer transsexuals enabled to transition, the less will be in their spaces.

I refuse to pay atonement for the sins of transgender activists. I'm sorry but I just cannot accept that from now on we be barred from women's toilets and hospital wards. For I can tell you it will not stop there. Next it will be parks, libraries, shopping centres and schools -
indeed any place where there are children. Apartheid sound familiar?

So know this Mumsnetters. I shall go on using women's toilets as I've done for half my life now. Not because I'm some misogynistic, foul-mouthed lager-drinking bloke who seeks to undermine or abuse women as many feminists seem to relish believing these days, but to
quietly assert my right to exist; you see I do it in the context of the time when black people once sat at segregated lunch counters enduring terrible abuse and violence from bigots.

Feminists can so do their worst. We few transsexuals who are left have nothing to lose now.

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Cascade220 · 17/08/2019 13:41

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TheInebriati · 17/08/2019 13:42

Stop it.

Transsexual women face erasure
Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 17/08/2019 13:51

I'm with Arnold. I trusted you people and now you've ruined it with your talk of wheatabix, hot milk & bananas.

It's literal violence to identify this mush as breakfast.

terryleather · 17/08/2019 13:53

I expect nothing better from Lang and her acolytes but the rest of you wtaf is going on??????

....

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 17/08/2019 13:54

I wouldn't feed such mush to a baby.

Not even with the Bailey's to drown the taste of vomit.

birdsdestiny · 17/08/2019 13:56

Arnold and Ali, some of us monitor the site regularly for the use of the W word. We report any breakfast atrocities directly to MNHQ, they are always very responsive to our concerns. We are always on the look out for new recruits.

Birdsfoottrefoil · 17/08/2019 13:56

Can I just Lang is talking about the mortar mix for building her extension walls?

Coffeeandchocolate9 · 17/08/2019 13:57

Wtf is wbh?

RedDogsBeg · 17/08/2019 13:57

@joannegosling2 is it too much to ask for you not to just plop an aggressive diatribe and then run away because you are too cowardly to defend it?

I must note as well that those who normally appear on threads such as this to wave their pom poms in support are notable by their absence.

Hamster00 · 17/08/2019 14:00

I chop the banana up, add it to milk, heat the banana and milk in the microwave, then pour it over the weetabix. The weetabix has to be soaked right through, so it’s not crunchy. Yum

For the love of...
...my hangover WAS starting to get better and this?!?

Transsexual women face erasure
ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 17/08/2019 14:02

birdsdestiny

Consider me recruited.

TinselAngel · 17/08/2019 14:03

This reminds me of primary school dinners where we used to be given banana custard, and the bananas were grey. 🤢

howdyalikemenow · 17/08/2019 14:03
Envy
Apollo440 · 17/08/2019 14:06

A major part of being a TW is being validated as a woman by using female spaces. They fool themselves that it is because they pass so well but in reality it is just women being kind. So how will they feel when the TRA aggressive approach backfires and women start objecting? Pass all the laws you want but you'll be getting nothing but hostility in return. So when faced with this reality (the exact opposite of validation) will there still be a kick in being a transwoman? I suspect not for the genuinely dysphoric only those who delight in intimidating women.

terryleather · 17/08/2019 14:06

and the bananas were grey.

Oh gawd, I just...I can't even with this

KatvonHostileExtremist · 17/08/2019 14:06

I reckon that drinkable weetabix would go nicely with Baileys.

That's some high level trolling there purple Confused

S1naidSucks · 17/08/2019 14:07

It’s ok LangCleg, we know we are the most oppressed breakfast eaters ever, but we’ll never let them erase our weetabix.

nanovoid · 17/08/2019 14:07

Tbh sounds like the language that a certain Debbie would use, the same one who got a Luke warm reception on Spincter

OhGodWhatTheHellNow · 17/08/2019 14:10

You know, you get 3000 characters on Spinster, more than enough to present a reasoned argument instead of insult- and- run.

S1naidSucks · 17/08/2019 14:10

For the love of...
...my hangover WAS starting to get better and this?!?

Go on! You know you want to try it. It’ll line your stomach. Grin

sackrifice · 17/08/2019 14:10

Tbh sounds like the language that a certain Debbie would use, the same one who got a Luke warm reception on Spincter

Not sure if you are aware, but making arse jokes is quite a male thing to do.

I mean, it's like women have never been insulted by men before.

You just cannot help yourselves can you?

S1naidSucks · 17/08/2019 14:11

Tbh sounds like the language that a certain Debbie would use, the same one who got a Luke warm reception on Spincter

You’re so right! I kept thinking the writing reminded me of someone, but couldn’t place it.

S1naidSucks · 17/08/2019 14:13

Maybe Debbie can clarify if it was Debbie, as I think they’re a regular reader.

NeedingAdvice29 · 17/08/2019 14:37

I have no issue with real TS women. They’re not the ones wanting to eradicate female rights nor the ones jumping up and down screaming “validate me”, most just want to be accepted for who they are and left in peace. Real TS people make a deliberate effort to adapt to being female - including being respectful of other women and not encroaching on their personal space and demanding to be noticed - and have spent years putting in the hard work and effort needed to truly identify as female. For those people I would happily accept them as a woman.

I have a massive issue with TG people like Yaniv though, the ones who are shouting the loudest about being female purely so they can prey on real women. They are not female in any sense of the word and never will be, and hopefully they will never be accepted either.

GirlDownUnder · 17/08/2019 14:40

I’m here but it wasn’t me Halo