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Transsexual women face erasure

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joannegosling2 · 16/08/2019 22:45

It's a fine state of affairs isn't it?

Please - before the administrators axe this post, at least hear me out.

August 2019 - Transsexual women (not the self ID-seeking transgender - I refer to those of us who surgically transition lock, stock and barrel under strict medical supervision but whose narratives have been appropriated by the TG activists and advertised as their own) now being clobbered by feminists, not only here but every where else on the internet too, whether it be on TGN or this new Spinster group I've heard about. I understand the voice of feminism on the latter has reached unseen heights of extremism.

In fact, if I may say, equally as extreme as the trans activists whom feminists have been resisting for quite some time now. But what a difference a week makes. It seems they are now mounting a full-on attack on their own allies - we transsexuals (who are no less
appalled by the behaviour of the transgenderists and feel equally threatened by them), suggesting we are exactly like those same people with no respect at all for women. AND IT IS CATCHING ON.

They insult us further by calling us men and insisting we submit to male pronouns and acknowledge the absurd assumption that we benefit from male privilege (whatever that is, I surely never realized there was any).

For the zillionth time WE are NOT the problem. This entire farce was started by the self ID demands of the TG crowd. It is true - and we recognise - that women are fighting for their rights as never before. But regrettably there are certain feminist agitators who now see this as a golden opportunity to rid the streets and social life of not only
cross-dressing men who seek to enter their spaces but transsexuals too. To this end they have petitioned MPs to scrap the Gender Recognition Act which affords some legal protection to us...which by happy coincidence (though for different reasons) is exactly what their enemies demand also.

So here the two opposing sides have found common ground, and the politicians, having had the wool pulled over their eyes by the TRAs using narratives stolen from us, are joyfully legislating to bring peace and harmony to our troubled society. Cross-dressers will have their self ID on condition they respect segregated spaces and women will be safe from men in their toilets. And we will all live happily ever after.

Not so for us transsexuals. Someone somewhere has decided that we must be the sacrificial lamb to enable this to happen. We must cease to exist as a group. And not existing together with self ID being in place means it will be deemed no longer appropriate to transition via surgical means. Consequently all such treatment, once tailored purely for he needs of transsexuals, will vanish forever.

I hear women repeat over and over that they were never consulted about 'old-school' transsexuals using their spaces like we have done for years. Since in all probability many of you here weren't even born when I had my operation some 30 years ago that would have been rather difficult. And besides I don't recall being consulted about these outrageous proposals to erase me and my compatriots from society. There are certain well-known individuals on social media claiming to be transsexual but who eagerly cow to feminist insistence that they be labelled men. If they are happy to be blokes, fine. But they
certainly do NOT speak for most of us. I will NOT degrade myself in that way just to please others - nor to seek validation.

Personally it matters little whether women accept me or not. They never did when I was trying my best to present myself in the male role either. That used to hurt me a lot. But now I've grown harder. If the feminists treat their allies worse than they do their enemies, then they do not deserve allies. Whilst still supporting women's concerns in general, transsexuals are also entitled to fight for their existence - especially in the face of so many seeking their total erasure.

I believe feminists have singled us out for one simple reason. Thanks to our years of serious and medicated transitioning (unlike the TG community) many of us pass so well women cannot tell should they brush by us in their toilets. (If you have they're most probably cross-dressers). This I feel is what irks them most as it makes it near impossible to keep us out. So the fewer transsexuals enabled to transition, the less will be in their spaces.

I refuse to pay atonement for the sins of transgender activists. I'm sorry but I just cannot accept that from now on we be barred from women's toilets and hospital wards. For I can tell you it will not stop there. Next it will be parks, libraries, shopping centres and schools -
indeed any place where there are children. Apartheid sound familiar?

So know this Mumsnetters. I shall go on using women's toilets as I've done for half my life now. Not because I'm some misogynistic, foul-mouthed lager-drinking bloke who seeks to undermine or abuse women as many feminists seem to relish believing these days, but to
quietly assert my right to exist; you see I do it in the context of the time when black people once sat at segregated lunch counters enduring terrible abuse and violence from bigots.

Feminists can so do their worst. We few transsexuals who are left have nothing to lose now.

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SingingLily · 17/08/2019 14:40

Adding my 2p worth re talk of ‘allies’ they missed out the ‘w’.

I took that to mean "wallies".

ThePurported · 17/08/2019 14:43

Maybe Debbie can clarify if it was Debbie, as I think they’re a regular reader.

I doubt it. OP sounds like another poster who once compared their use of women's toilets to Rosa Parks on the bus (because single-sex facilities are exactly like racism).

ThePurported · 17/08/2019 14:46

I have no issue with real TS women. They’re not the ones wanting to eradicate female rights

Real TS women like Christine Burns, the 'GRA architect'?

WrathoSWhlttIeKIop · 17/08/2019 15:02

I had porridge with raspberries on top this morning

Take that

My turn....

I had scrambled eggs on toast.

Girls Aloud.

SheWhoMustBeSilent · 17/08/2019 15:02

I have no issue with real TS women

What is an "unreal" TS woman? Please explain?

There is no such legal entity as a "TS woman". They are men .. even the UK GRA 2004 recognises this fact, despite the issue of a GRC.

[Issue of a GRC, thereby permitting change of the reference to sex on the Birth Certificate, is only relevant in interactions with certain aspects of UK law. Other interactions with wider society are irrelevant.]

Further the UK Equality Act 2010 defines woman as a female of any age.

SheWhoMustBeSilent · 17/08/2019 15:06

There is no such legal entity as a "TS woman".

Correction: There is no such legal entity as a "TS woman" other than as a Legal Fiction.

Hazardtired · 17/08/2019 15:10

I've read all ten pages and I'm none the wiser.

I like microwaved banana, cornflakes, milk and a drizzle of honey. It's mush but it's warming sweet mush that makes a nice bedtime meal for the midnight munchies.

WrathoSWhlttIeKIop · 17/08/2019 15:11

Hazardtired
And your chosen pop group is...?

TinselAngel · 17/08/2019 15:13

I had scrambled eggs on toast.

Girls Aloud.

I had a sausage sandwich

Backstreet Boys.

WrathoSWhlttIeKIop · 17/08/2019 15:14

Yay TinselGrin

NeedingAdvice29 · 17/08/2019 15:15

@ThePurported no, I mean people who don’t have an agenda. Those who fully transition and aren’t demanding acceptance and validation from everyone they meet. Those who just want to live their lives without people harming them and without causing issues or harm to others.

I believe any form of trans is a mental illness issue, however I’d hate to be orchestrated for my own issues so I’d rather not lump every single trans person in with TRAs and the like. Those who are genuinely harmless and just want to go about their lives in peace, without demanding they be included in everything related to women, should be allowed to do so. Those like Yaniv should be put in an institute.

Sorry if that was unclear.

SheWhoMustBeSilent · 17/08/2019 15:15

Help yourselves, sisters ... have poached eggs or summat for breakfast! Wink

heavycloudbutnorain · 17/08/2019 15:21

Maybe Debbie can clarify if it was Debbie, as I think they’re a regular reader

Not DH. She only had her SRS about four years ago

TinselAngel · 17/08/2019 15:23

Those who fully transition and aren’t demanding acceptance and validation from everyone they meet

By for example- speaking at feminist meetings and posting on mumsnet?

Hazardtired · 17/08/2019 15:23

Oh sorry!

And my pop group is....

Spice Girls.

Keeping it loyal Grin

LangCleg · 17/08/2019 15:26

It's not Debbie Hayton, FFS.

LangCleg · 17/08/2019 15:27

I had scrambled eggs on toast.

Girls Aloud.

Grin Grin Grin

You win!

WrathoSWhlttIeKIop · 17/08/2019 15:27

Good work Hazard

heavycloudbutnorain · 17/08/2019 15:28

It's not Debbie Hayton, FFS

We've established that

WrathoSWhlttIeKIop · 17/08/2019 15:29

Lang
Warming up for Saturday night.

OhtheHillsareAlive · 17/08/2019 15:32

I refuse to pay atonement for the sins of transgender activists

So why are you blaming feminists?

This is typically what men & TRAs do - they blame feminists (and women more generally) for the coercion of men men into harmful and violent versions of masculinity. And they blame feminists & women for the fact that men discipline by violence other men (and men generally see TWs as men) whom they see as transgressing the boundaries of masculinity (eg effeminate men, some gay men).

Women and feminists don't on the whole, beat up TWs or effeminate men or gay men. Generally, we go clubbing with them.

TinselAngel · 17/08/2019 15:42

It's not Debbie Hayton, FFS.

Not Debbie's style at all.

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 17/08/2019 15:50

Strawberries

Duran Duran

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 17/08/2019 15:51

Happy to see a lesbian march in Glasgow today. Just saying...

SheWhoMustBeSilent · 17/08/2019 15:53

So why are you blaming feminists?

This explains it:

Transsexual women face erasure
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