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Transsexual women face erasure

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joannegosling2 · 16/08/2019 22:45

It's a fine state of affairs isn't it?

Please - before the administrators axe this post, at least hear me out.

August 2019 - Transsexual women (not the self ID-seeking transgender - I refer to those of us who surgically transition lock, stock and barrel under strict medical supervision but whose narratives have been appropriated by the TG activists and advertised as their own) now being clobbered by feminists, not only here but every where else on the internet too, whether it be on TGN or this new Spinster group I've heard about. I understand the voice of feminism on the latter has reached unseen heights of extremism.

In fact, if I may say, equally as extreme as the trans activists whom feminists have been resisting for quite some time now. But what a difference a week makes. It seems they are now mounting a full-on attack on their own allies - we transsexuals (who are no less
appalled by the behaviour of the transgenderists and feel equally threatened by them), suggesting we are exactly like those same people with no respect at all for women. AND IT IS CATCHING ON.

They insult us further by calling us men and insisting we submit to male pronouns and acknowledge the absurd assumption that we benefit from male privilege (whatever that is, I surely never realized there was any).

For the zillionth time WE are NOT the problem. This entire farce was started by the self ID demands of the TG crowd. It is true - and we recognise - that women are fighting for their rights as never before. But regrettably there are certain feminist agitators who now see this as a golden opportunity to rid the streets and social life of not only
cross-dressing men who seek to enter their spaces but transsexuals too. To this end they have petitioned MPs to scrap the Gender Recognition Act which affords some legal protection to us...which by happy coincidence (though for different reasons) is exactly what their enemies demand also.

So here the two opposing sides have found common ground, and the politicians, having had the wool pulled over their eyes by the TRAs using narratives stolen from us, are joyfully legislating to bring peace and harmony to our troubled society. Cross-dressers will have their self ID on condition they respect segregated spaces and women will be safe from men in their toilets. And we will all live happily ever after.

Not so for us transsexuals. Someone somewhere has decided that we must be the sacrificial lamb to enable this to happen. We must cease to exist as a group. And not existing together with self ID being in place means it will be deemed no longer appropriate to transition via surgical means. Consequently all such treatment, once tailored purely for he needs of transsexuals, will vanish forever.

I hear women repeat over and over that they were never consulted about 'old-school' transsexuals using their spaces like we have done for years. Since in all probability many of you here weren't even born when I had my operation some 30 years ago that would have been rather difficult. And besides I don't recall being consulted about these outrageous proposals to erase me and my compatriots from society. There are certain well-known individuals on social media claiming to be transsexual but who eagerly cow to feminist insistence that they be labelled men. If they are happy to be blokes, fine. But they
certainly do NOT speak for most of us. I will NOT degrade myself in that way just to please others - nor to seek validation.

Personally it matters little whether women accept me or not. They never did when I was trying my best to present myself in the male role either. That used to hurt me a lot. But now I've grown harder. If the feminists treat their allies worse than they do their enemies, then they do not deserve allies. Whilst still supporting women's concerns in general, transsexuals are also entitled to fight for their existence - especially in the face of so many seeking their total erasure.

I believe feminists have singled us out for one simple reason. Thanks to our years of serious and medicated transitioning (unlike the TG community) many of us pass so well women cannot tell should they brush by us in their toilets. (If you have they're most probably cross-dressers). This I feel is what irks them most as it makes it near impossible to keep us out. So the fewer transsexuals enabled to transition, the less will be in their spaces.

I refuse to pay atonement for the sins of transgender activists. I'm sorry but I just cannot accept that from now on we be barred from women's toilets and hospital wards. For I can tell you it will not stop there. Next it will be parks, libraries, shopping centres and schools -
indeed any place where there are children. Apartheid sound familiar?

So know this Mumsnetters. I shall go on using women's toilets as I've done for half my life now. Not because I'm some misogynistic, foul-mouthed lager-drinking bloke who seeks to undermine or abuse women as many feminists seem to relish believing these days, but to
quietly assert my right to exist; you see I do it in the context of the time when black people once sat at segregated lunch counters enduring terrible abuse and violence from bigots.

Feminists can so do their worst. We few transsexuals who are left have nothing to lose now.

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Cascade220 · 22/08/2019 23:58

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GirlDownUnder · 22/08/2019 23:59

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Bespin · 22/08/2019 23:59

GirlDownUnder

good I'm glad you reported it sometimes its easy to fall outside the rules of debate on here. if I over step then I would expect to be deleted. lots of posts get deleted.

PurpleCrowbar · 23/08/2019 00:00

Yes, women take this seriously.

I take quite seriously the notion of a woman camping out because she can't be in a female only refuge.

Is that a 'laugh', Bespin? Would you support her wanting a female space? Which would exclude you?

Bespin · 23/08/2019 00:00

Should a woman fleeing male violence have a right to male free space to recover?

yes its in the equality act that they can and deo exsist.

Trohmaniac · 23/08/2019 00:00

God, there's some awful high-fiving going on somewhere on an MRA website, I reckon.

This is sickening. Basically laughing at posters on this board.

zebrasdontwearbras · 23/08/2019 00:01

Bespin, detroit can't get the help or support that she needs, because transactivists are aggressively campaigning to allow males in women's refuges - and they've largely succeeded.

Those transactivists who make the same arguments as you. So your "sympathy" is a tad hollow.

Ereshkigal · 23/08/2019 00:01

Do you think this kind of thing does your cause any good at all Bespin? You probably do.

Bespin · 23/08/2019 00:02

Is that a 'laugh', Bespin? Would you support her wanting a female space? Which would exclude you?

yes I would support that totally and do support the provision in the equality act to allow for that.

Aberhonddu · 23/08/2019 00:02

The problem here Bespin is that you are not another woman, you're of the Male sex class and your language and shoddy behaviour is really othering all the women on this thread.
You may think that you are presenting another view, but you are not, you are just telling Women to accept you in any way shape or form that you choose to present. If you had any inkling about Women you would realise that ordering Women to obey you is not a good idea, but you don't, you're just another in a long line of Men trying to tell Women what to say and how to think. I'd love to expand on this but any more comments by me would definitely be deleted.

Bespin · 23/08/2019 00:03

zebrasdontwearbras

Well Im sorry you feel that, but I am not them and I'm not campaign for that.

GirlDownUnder · 23/08/2019 00:03

You never got deleted Bespin - I withdrew my complaint.

But you seem to think deletion = bullying or being outside the rules. It doesn’t. Sometimes it just shitty reporting. Sometimes from people who can’t argue and like to appeal to authority.

Detroit didn’t bully and I’d argue which rules she was outside of. I’d say that was an example of shitty reporting my self.

Ereshkigal · 23/08/2019 00:04

It's nice that you acknowledge that such a provision exists for women in the Equality Act and it can exclude ALL males. Unlike most transactivists.

zebrasdontwearbras · 23/08/2019 00:04

Bespin, in short - the very arguments that you make on here - that you are a woman, despite acknowldeging yourself that you were born male - those arguments have directly cause harm to detroit - because detroit cannot access a women's refuge which is guaranteed to be free of males with penises. Just because those males with penises declare themselves women.

Ereshkigal · 23/08/2019 00:06

But you seem to think deletion = bullying or being outside the rules. It doesn’t. Sometimes it just shitty reporting. Sometimes from people who can’t argue and like to appeal to authority.

THIS

zebrasdontwearbras · 23/08/2019 00:06

It's nice that you acknowledge that such a provision exists for women in the Equality Act and it can exclude ALL males. Unlike most transactivists

Very few do though - because of the financial pressure put on them.

Vancouver Rape Relief and Nia (Karen Ingala Smith's organisation) are a couple, but there are very few.

Bespin · 23/08/2019 00:06

GirlDownUnder

you didn't need to, it's totally your decision to do that. People have a right to use the forum as they like within the rules they have set out. I really hope
Detroit gets the help she needs, I don't think she bullied anyone, but a large group of posters focusing on one poster can often feel like bullying

Cascade220 · 23/08/2019 00:07

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Ereshkigal · 23/08/2019 00:07

Yes definitely. But many TRAs will argue that MTFs can't actually be excluded.

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SheWhoMustBeSilent · 23/08/2019 00:08

None of us would ever report you, Bespin .. you are far too valuable in what you reveal .. and we need all readers of this site to see what you say.

This is the only reason you are still here in this thread, Bespin. Your own words reveal who you are.

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