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Transsexual women face erasure

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joannegosling2 · 16/08/2019 22:45

It's a fine state of affairs isn't it?

Please - before the administrators axe this post, at least hear me out.

August 2019 - Transsexual women (not the self ID-seeking transgender - I refer to those of us who surgically transition lock, stock and barrel under strict medical supervision but whose narratives have been appropriated by the TG activists and advertised as their own) now being clobbered by feminists, not only here but every where else on the internet too, whether it be on TGN or this new Spinster group I've heard about. I understand the voice of feminism on the latter has reached unseen heights of extremism.

In fact, if I may say, equally as extreme as the trans activists whom feminists have been resisting for quite some time now. But what a difference a week makes. It seems they are now mounting a full-on attack on their own allies - we transsexuals (who are no less
appalled by the behaviour of the transgenderists and feel equally threatened by them), suggesting we are exactly like those same people with no respect at all for women. AND IT IS CATCHING ON.

They insult us further by calling us men and insisting we submit to male pronouns and acknowledge the absurd assumption that we benefit from male privilege (whatever that is, I surely never realized there was any).

For the zillionth time WE are NOT the problem. This entire farce was started by the self ID demands of the TG crowd. It is true - and we recognise - that women are fighting for their rights as never before. But regrettably there are certain feminist agitators who now see this as a golden opportunity to rid the streets and social life of not only
cross-dressing men who seek to enter their spaces but transsexuals too. To this end they have petitioned MPs to scrap the Gender Recognition Act which affords some legal protection to us...which by happy coincidence (though for different reasons) is exactly what their enemies demand also.

So here the two opposing sides have found common ground, and the politicians, having had the wool pulled over their eyes by the TRAs using narratives stolen from us, are joyfully legislating to bring peace and harmony to our troubled society. Cross-dressers will have their self ID on condition they respect segregated spaces and women will be safe from men in their toilets. And we will all live happily ever after.

Not so for us transsexuals. Someone somewhere has decided that we must be the sacrificial lamb to enable this to happen. We must cease to exist as a group. And not existing together with self ID being in place means it will be deemed no longer appropriate to transition via surgical means. Consequently all such treatment, once tailored purely for he needs of transsexuals, will vanish forever.

I hear women repeat over and over that they were never consulted about 'old-school' transsexuals using their spaces like we have done for years. Since in all probability many of you here weren't even born when I had my operation some 30 years ago that would have been rather difficult. And besides I don't recall being consulted about these outrageous proposals to erase me and my compatriots from society. There are certain well-known individuals on social media claiming to be transsexual but who eagerly cow to feminist insistence that they be labelled men. If they are happy to be blokes, fine. But they
certainly do NOT speak for most of us. I will NOT degrade myself in that way just to please others - nor to seek validation.

Personally it matters little whether women accept me or not. They never did when I was trying my best to present myself in the male role either. That used to hurt me a lot. But now I've grown harder. If the feminists treat their allies worse than they do their enemies, then they do not deserve allies. Whilst still supporting women's concerns in general, transsexuals are also entitled to fight for their existence - especially in the face of so many seeking their total erasure.

I believe feminists have singled us out for one simple reason. Thanks to our years of serious and medicated transitioning (unlike the TG community) many of us pass so well women cannot tell should they brush by us in their toilets. (If you have they're most probably cross-dressers). This I feel is what irks them most as it makes it near impossible to keep us out. So the fewer transsexuals enabled to transition, the less will be in their spaces.

I refuse to pay atonement for the sins of transgender activists. I'm sorry but I just cannot accept that from now on we be barred from women's toilets and hospital wards. For I can tell you it will not stop there. Next it will be parks, libraries, shopping centres and schools -
indeed any place where there are children. Apartheid sound familiar?

So know this Mumsnetters. I shall go on using women's toilets as I've done for half my life now. Not because I'm some misogynistic, foul-mouthed lager-drinking bloke who seeks to undermine or abuse women as many feminists seem to relish believing these days, but to
quietly assert my right to exist; you see I do it in the context of the time when black people once sat at segregated lunch counters enduring terrible abuse and violence from bigots.

Feminists can so do their worst. We few transsexuals who are left have nothing to lose now.

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LangCleg · 17/08/2019 12:52

It''s not dreaded!

Gah.

LangCleg · 17/08/2019 12:53

(WBH that is.)

TinselAngel · 17/08/2019 12:59

It''s not dreaded!

Yes it is.

terryleather · 17/08/2019 13:01

WBH was shat out the Devil's arse Lang and you know it!

Stick to the Marmite and we'll all be able to get along amicably.

LangCleg · 17/08/2019 13:03

I had porridge with raspberries on top this morning.

Take that.

Cascade220 · 17/08/2019 13:07

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TinselAngel · 17/08/2019 13:10

Have you tried this Lang?

What the holy fuck??

OldCrone · 17/08/2019 13:11

The first day he turned up in a dress ( no surgery at this point) the men refused to allow him in the gents ( like what were they afraid of? )

That's really weird. Did they explain why?

Datun · 17/08/2019 13:12

WBH was shat out the Devil's arse Lang and you know it!

🤣

ThePurported · 17/08/2019 13:13

I don't get this idea of 'allies'. Why are women supposed to ally with men who have had their male genitalia removed? The idea is offensive on so many levels. Women are not men minus the penis, we don't live in a harem, and it's immoral to encourage people to mutilate their bodies. If someone absolutely has to go through with it, fine, but it doesn't give you the right to demand special treatment at the expense of women.

And what exactly is the objection to Weetabix and banana? As long as there's only a splosh of milk so that the Weetabix stays crispy, I find it a satisfying combination of textures.

LangCleg · 17/08/2019 13:13

Have you tried this Lang?

You made that up!

LangCleg · 17/08/2019 13:13

And what exactly is the objection to Weetabix and banana? As long as there's only a splosh of milk so that the Weetabix stays crispy, I find it a satisfying combination of textures.

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FannyCann · 17/08/2019 13:15

Thanks all. I got the weetabix but was confused by the BH. Hmm

I like bananas on my weetabix. Though I mostly have a plain and boring but healthy muesli these days.

Bananas are best in a smoothie. Smile

Cascade220 · 17/08/2019 13:16

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MIdgebabe · 17/08/2019 13:18

From memory the explanation was that he wasn’t a man.
But as an explanation it did nt make sense which made it even more surpris8ng that they thought the women would immediately accept the person as a woman.

ThePurported · 17/08/2019 13:19

Ok, I've just seen that bottle of Weetabix on the go. That's depraved.

Wurzelsnewhead · 17/08/2019 13:20

Adding my 2p worth re talk of ‘allies’ they missed out the ‘w’.
TW so allies must be TWA.

terryleather · 17/08/2019 13:27

I had porridge with raspberries on top this morning.

Now that's more like it

And as for that bottled Weetabix Banana liquid, only in one of Lang's wildest fever dreams could that abomination be created....blurghhhhhh!

PurpleCrowbar · 17/08/2019 13:28

I reckon that drinkable weetabix would go nicely with Baileys.

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 17/08/2019 13:29

No, TWA was an airline.

LangCleg · 17/08/2019 13:29

Ahem.

S1naidSucks · 17/08/2019 13:34

I chop the banana up, add it to milk, heat the banana and milk in the microwave, then pour it over the weetabix. The weetabix has to be soaked right through, so it’s not crunchy. Yum

hides from the weetabix phobes

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 17/08/2019 13:35

I reckon that drinkable weetabix would go nicely with Baileys.

I thought FWR was supposed to be an oasis of sanity in a world gone mad.

I'm sooooooooooo disappointed in all of you.

LangCleg · 17/08/2019 13:39

I chop the banana up, add it to milk, heat the banana and milk in the microwave, then pour it over the weetabix. The weetabix has to be soaked right through, so it’s not crunchy. Yum

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