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Transsexual women face erasure

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joannegosling2 · 16/08/2019 22:45

It's a fine state of affairs isn't it?

Please - before the administrators axe this post, at least hear me out.

August 2019 - Transsexual women (not the self ID-seeking transgender - I refer to those of us who surgically transition lock, stock and barrel under strict medical supervision but whose narratives have been appropriated by the TG activists and advertised as their own) now being clobbered by feminists, not only here but every where else on the internet too, whether it be on TGN or this new Spinster group I've heard about. I understand the voice of feminism on the latter has reached unseen heights of extremism.

In fact, if I may say, equally as extreme as the trans activists whom feminists have been resisting for quite some time now. But what a difference a week makes. It seems they are now mounting a full-on attack on their own allies - we transsexuals (who are no less
appalled by the behaviour of the transgenderists and feel equally threatened by them), suggesting we are exactly like those same people with no respect at all for women. AND IT IS CATCHING ON.

They insult us further by calling us men and insisting we submit to male pronouns and acknowledge the absurd assumption that we benefit from male privilege (whatever that is, I surely never realized there was any).

For the zillionth time WE are NOT the problem. This entire farce was started by the self ID demands of the TG crowd. It is true - and we recognise - that women are fighting for their rights as never before. But regrettably there are certain feminist agitators who now see this as a golden opportunity to rid the streets and social life of not only
cross-dressing men who seek to enter their spaces but transsexuals too. To this end they have petitioned MPs to scrap the Gender Recognition Act which affords some legal protection to us...which by happy coincidence (though for different reasons) is exactly what their enemies demand also.

So here the two opposing sides have found common ground, and the politicians, having had the wool pulled over their eyes by the TRAs using narratives stolen from us, are joyfully legislating to bring peace and harmony to our troubled society. Cross-dressers will have their self ID on condition they respect segregated spaces and women will be safe from men in their toilets. And we will all live happily ever after.

Not so for us transsexuals. Someone somewhere has decided that we must be the sacrificial lamb to enable this to happen. We must cease to exist as a group. And not existing together with self ID being in place means it will be deemed no longer appropriate to transition via surgical means. Consequently all such treatment, once tailored purely for he needs of transsexuals, will vanish forever.

I hear women repeat over and over that they were never consulted about 'old-school' transsexuals using their spaces like we have done for years. Since in all probability many of you here weren't even born when I had my operation some 30 years ago that would have been rather difficult. And besides I don't recall being consulted about these outrageous proposals to erase me and my compatriots from society. There are certain well-known individuals on social media claiming to be transsexual but who eagerly cow to feminist insistence that they be labelled men. If they are happy to be blokes, fine. But they
certainly do NOT speak for most of us. I will NOT degrade myself in that way just to please others - nor to seek validation.

Personally it matters little whether women accept me or not. They never did when I was trying my best to present myself in the male role either. That used to hurt me a lot. But now I've grown harder. If the feminists treat their allies worse than they do their enemies, then they do not deserve allies. Whilst still supporting women's concerns in general, transsexuals are also entitled to fight for their existence - especially in the face of so many seeking their total erasure.

I believe feminists have singled us out for one simple reason. Thanks to our years of serious and medicated transitioning (unlike the TG community) many of us pass so well women cannot tell should they brush by us in their toilets. (If you have they're most probably cross-dressers). This I feel is what irks them most as it makes it near impossible to keep us out. So the fewer transsexuals enabled to transition, the less will be in their spaces.

I refuse to pay atonement for the sins of transgender activists. I'm sorry but I just cannot accept that from now on we be barred from women's toilets and hospital wards. For I can tell you it will not stop there. Next it will be parks, libraries, shopping centres and schools -
indeed any place where there are children. Apartheid sound familiar?

So know this Mumsnetters. I shall go on using women's toilets as I've done for half my life now. Not because I'm some misogynistic, foul-mouthed lager-drinking bloke who seeks to undermine or abuse women as many feminists seem to relish believing these days, but to
quietly assert my right to exist; you see I do it in the context of the time when black people once sat at segregated lunch counters enduring terrible abuse and violence from bigots.

Feminists can so do their worst. We few transsexuals who are left have nothing to lose now.

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LangCleg · 22/08/2019 23:42

Not prepared to confirm or deny reporting a traumatised woman, fleeing abuse and currently homeless, for wrongspeak then, Bespin?

Never mind.

SheWhoMustBeSilent · 22/08/2019 23:42

I'm not sure what you actually want to happen, Bespin?

your [sic] not really interested to know the answer are you. [sic]

Oh yes, we are very interested. Please explain?

Bespin · 22/08/2019 23:42

How are they a "completely different and distinct diagnosis"? Please be more specific?

please refer to DSM 5.

Trohmaniac · 22/08/2019 23:43

I was talking to my 70-year-old Dad about this stuff today - the majority of it was news to him and he was fucking furious to hear about how women are once again being thrown under the bus.

He said 'it's always men, isn't it? There's something very wrong here.'

zebrasdontwearbras · 22/08/2019 23:43

This tread is about transexuals there a completely different and distinct diagnosis

I'm really beginning to query this. From the behaviour of self-declared transsexuals right here on Mumsnet, and across all social media.

There really are very few exceptions. I would call Fionne and Miranda exceptions. And Hamster00 from here.

The difference in attitudes towards women between say, Fionne, and the OP - it's worlds apart.

SheWhoMustBeSilent · 22/08/2019 23:45

Anyone who thinks women and girls shouldn't have sex-based rights must be a misogynist/MRA surely, and MNHQ have always in the past deleted posts by MRAs.

100% agreement from me, @SparticusAutisticus

Cascade220 · 22/08/2019 23:47

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Bespin · 22/08/2019 23:47

SheWhoMustBeSilent

I come in here because I beleive in balance in a debate otherwise this would just be spinster won't it. I like to put the other view across not your you but as people love to say the people who are not you. not everyone holds your views and I want to stop people on here just othering us, as happens when you just talk about us as an abstract thing. you often just make us monsters and things to be scared of but we are just poeple like everyone else. and I do like to enjoy myslef when I come on here why would anyone not want to get enjoyment out of spending time on here.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 22/08/2019 23:48

Just reading about a male bodied personage in a woman’s rugby team, with the nickname ‘the beast’ at Porth harlequins. Has injured other player. It’s depressing how this has been allowed to happen. Well not surprising - advantage and all that.

Makes you wonder when they will just slap a wig on a bull and throw it onto the pitch.

Bespin · 22/08/2019 23:50

SpartacusAutisticus

I know right, sometimes I wish we had not got to the point where I feel I have to do this, sometimes its not nice when the mumsnet police descend on you. but here we are and it seems to be something I can do so I am.

Cascade220 · 22/08/2019 23:50

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OldCrone · 22/08/2019 23:51

I want to stop people on here just othering us, as happens when you just talk about us as an abstract thing.

You mean like men do to women?

Bespin · 22/08/2019 23:52

You mean like men do to women?

I know right I really sad that some woman feel that they need to do just what men do to them, to other woman.

Cascade220 · 22/08/2019 23:52

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PurpleCrowbar · 22/08/2019 23:53

I'm not sure what you actually want to happen, Bespin?

your not really interested to know the answer are you.*

Yup, I actually am. But I think you've answered my question.

There was a bit about feeling 'othered' & then a bit about you popping on here for enjoyment.

It's probably not so much fun for Detroit tonight in her tent, is it?

Cascade220 · 22/08/2019 23:53

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Bespin · 22/08/2019 23:54

SpartacusAutisticus

this isn't your forum its mumsnet, it's open to all and as encouraged that.

Cascade220 · 22/08/2019 23:54

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Bespin · 22/08/2019 23:55

Where's your support for Detroit, Bespin?

I feel sorry for her and I hope she gets the support and help she needs.

Ereshkigal · 22/08/2019 23:55

I know right, sometimes I wish we had not got to the point where I feel I have to do this, sometimes its not nice when the mumsnet police descend on you. but here we are and it seems to be something I can do so I am.

Why not go and debate women on Spinster then, as you seem so fixated on it? Can you really not debate without running off to report women for wrongthink?

GirlDownUnder · 22/08/2019 23:55

Bespin you said if you choose to target posters in an attempt to bully them from posting then mumsnet will remove them. If you don't do that then they will not remove them.

That is not true.

I admitted hours ago (up thread) that I reported and then reminded one of my only reports of a comment of yours. MN agreed that your comment was not good, but because of how the women on FWR responded, in such a positive way, your post was allowed to stand.

Don’t think because you’ve had no deletions, you’re somehow always in the right.

Also, I’d never report you again because I think your words should stand.

Cascade220 · 22/08/2019 23:55

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PurpleCrowbar · 22/08/2019 23:56

Would you support her right to a female only refuge, Bespin?

SheWhoMustBeSilent · 22/08/2019 23:56

I come in here because I beleive [sic] in balance in a debate otherwise this would just be spinster won't [sic] it. I like to put the other view across not your you[sic] but as people love to say the people who are not you. not everyone holds your views and I want to stop people on here just othering us, as happens when you just talk about us as an abstract thing. you often just make us monsters and things to be scared of but we are just poeple [sic] like everyone else. and I do like to enjoy myslef [sic] when I come on here why would anyone not want to get enjoyment out of spending time on here.

So, are you saying you are an autogynephilic male who derives pleasure for himself from inserting himself into a community intended for females? [That seems to be what you are saying.]

Bespin · 22/08/2019 23:56

SpartacusAutisticus

no enjoyment in posting and debating on here and sometimes having a laugh. you better go police the Banbury thread then as they are having way to much fun on there, if we are all supposed to take this seriously.