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Transsexual women face erasure

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joannegosling2 · 16/08/2019 22:45

It's a fine state of affairs isn't it?

Please - before the administrators axe this post, at least hear me out.

August 2019 - Transsexual women (not the self ID-seeking transgender - I refer to those of us who surgically transition lock, stock and barrel under strict medical supervision but whose narratives have been appropriated by the TG activists and advertised as their own) now being clobbered by feminists, not only here but every where else on the internet too, whether it be on TGN or this new Spinster group I've heard about. I understand the voice of feminism on the latter has reached unseen heights of extremism.

In fact, if I may say, equally as extreme as the trans activists whom feminists have been resisting for quite some time now. But what a difference a week makes. It seems they are now mounting a full-on attack on their own allies - we transsexuals (who are no less
appalled by the behaviour of the transgenderists and feel equally threatened by them), suggesting we are exactly like those same people with no respect at all for women. AND IT IS CATCHING ON.

They insult us further by calling us men and insisting we submit to male pronouns and acknowledge the absurd assumption that we benefit from male privilege (whatever that is, I surely never realized there was any).

For the zillionth time WE are NOT the problem. This entire farce was started by the self ID demands of the TG crowd. It is true - and we recognise - that women are fighting for their rights as never before. But regrettably there are certain feminist agitators who now see this as a golden opportunity to rid the streets and social life of not only
cross-dressing men who seek to enter their spaces but transsexuals too. To this end they have petitioned MPs to scrap the Gender Recognition Act which affords some legal protection to us...which by happy coincidence (though for different reasons) is exactly what their enemies demand also.

So here the two opposing sides have found common ground, and the politicians, having had the wool pulled over their eyes by the TRAs using narratives stolen from us, are joyfully legislating to bring peace and harmony to our troubled society. Cross-dressers will have their self ID on condition they respect segregated spaces and women will be safe from men in their toilets. And we will all live happily ever after.

Not so for us transsexuals. Someone somewhere has decided that we must be the sacrificial lamb to enable this to happen. We must cease to exist as a group. And not existing together with self ID being in place means it will be deemed no longer appropriate to transition via surgical means. Consequently all such treatment, once tailored purely for he needs of transsexuals, will vanish forever.

I hear women repeat over and over that they were never consulted about 'old-school' transsexuals using their spaces like we have done for years. Since in all probability many of you here weren't even born when I had my operation some 30 years ago that would have been rather difficult. And besides I don't recall being consulted about these outrageous proposals to erase me and my compatriots from society. There are certain well-known individuals on social media claiming to be transsexual but who eagerly cow to feminist insistence that they be labelled men. If they are happy to be blokes, fine. But they
certainly do NOT speak for most of us. I will NOT degrade myself in that way just to please others - nor to seek validation.

Personally it matters little whether women accept me or not. They never did when I was trying my best to present myself in the male role either. That used to hurt me a lot. But now I've grown harder. If the feminists treat their allies worse than they do their enemies, then they do not deserve allies. Whilst still supporting women's concerns in general, transsexuals are also entitled to fight for their existence - especially in the face of so many seeking their total erasure.

I believe feminists have singled us out for one simple reason. Thanks to our years of serious and medicated transitioning (unlike the TG community) many of us pass so well women cannot tell should they brush by us in their toilets. (If you have they're most probably cross-dressers). This I feel is what irks them most as it makes it near impossible to keep us out. So the fewer transsexuals enabled to transition, the less will be in their spaces.

I refuse to pay atonement for the sins of transgender activists. I'm sorry but I just cannot accept that from now on we be barred from women's toilets and hospital wards. For I can tell you it will not stop there. Next it will be parks, libraries, shopping centres and schools -
indeed any place where there are children. Apartheid sound familiar?

So know this Mumsnetters. I shall go on using women's toilets as I've done for half my life now. Not because I'm some misogynistic, foul-mouthed lager-drinking bloke who seeks to undermine or abuse women as many feminists seem to relish believing these days, but to
quietly assert my right to exist; you see I do it in the context of the time when black people once sat at segregated lunch counters enduring terrible abuse and violence from bigots.

Feminists can so do their worst. We few transsexuals who are left have nothing to lose now.

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AlessandraAsteriti · 19/08/2019 08:35

Joni Mitchell fan here, Hejira, Blue...
Song for Sharon is one of the most beautiful songs you will ever hear, and reads like a short, perfect story

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 19/08/2019 08:58

@Gingerkittykat sorry to break it to you but that’s not vomit - more likely second/third time around regurgitation or poo. I love cate but... yeuch!

LangCleg · 19/08/2019 08:59

Welcome and Flowers detroitin68.

LangCleg · 19/08/2019 09:00

I don't like Weetabix any more.

Forced teaming is shitty.

These two statements are entirely unrelated.

Cascade220 · 19/08/2019 09:01

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Prawnofthepatriarchy · 19/08/2019 09:05

I love Joni as does DF aged 91. He got me into her. My favourites are Blue (always Blue), Hissing of Summer Lawns and For the Roses.

Detroitin68, your username starts me singing, though I grieve for your situation, which is outrageous. Flowers

Joisanofthedales · 19/08/2019 09:28

detroit Flowers I hope life gets better for you soon.

Thank you for reminding me I hadn't played Blue, my favourite Joni album, for years. Now singing the song Blue out aloud (luckily to an empty house).

TheInebriati · 19/08/2019 11:15

A school of clownfish is always built into a hierarchy with a female fish at the top. When she dies, the most dominant male changes sex and takes her place.

Thats not precise.
Clownfish are born as undifferentiated hermaphrodites, and their social order/rank is by size. Only the two largest fish have a sex or breed.
The largest fish becomes female, the next largest fish becomes male and her mate. The rest of the school are not male by default, they are hermaphrodites.

If the largest fish dies, the next in line becomes female, and the one below him becomes male. The rest are still undifferentiated true hermaphrodites - they are capable of creating both male and female the sex organs and gametes.

It could be the case that the two largest fish (currently male and female) are both eaten by a predator, in which case they would both be replaced.

The order is similar to ants or bees with one queen, one male, and lots of sexless drones who don't mate. But unlike ants or bees, the drones have a chance at breeding in the future.

LangCleg · 19/08/2019 11:31

Still want to be like clownfish Bespin?!

DuMondeB · 19/08/2019 11:32

Hey Detroit I’m glad you found us - Thankfully, Mumsnet is a place where you can say you find male bodies traumatising without being rebuked (well, there are a few posters who will try and shame you for not being nice, and we tolerate them due to freedom of speech, whilst pointing out their misogyny).

Clearly, you have done loads to try and sort out your circumstances for yourself already, so apologies if the following is something you did months ago, but have you been in contact with WoLF at all?

WoLF are the (possibly the only) Feminist organisation who are backing many of the title 9 legal challenges - they might not be able to offer any immediate, practical assistance, but your testimony is powerful and if nothing else, will strengthen their resolve to keep fighting, for you and your US sisters.

womensliberationfront.org/

No doubt you’ve already come across the gender critical subreddit, they have a lot more US posters than here, so might have other suggestions.

Most of our posters are U.K. based, but we do have very active members from the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, so stick around if you can.

MouthyHarpy · 19/08/2019 12:42

I'm actually scared to post this anywhere. I've given up on trying to access any assistance, and will have to get through this alone

Oh @Detroitin68 that is so despairing to read. I hope you are safe now.

You could join up to the new social media site set up by & for women:
Spinster:

spinster.xyz

You won't be censored there, and there may be women nearer you than we are (most of us are in the UK) who can help.

Michelleoftheresistance · 19/08/2019 12:52

A school of clownfish is always built into a hierarchy with a female fish at the top. When she dies, the most dominant male changes sex and takes her place.

And female preying mantis bite the heads off males during sex and eat them.

Michelleoftheresistance · 19/08/2019 12:56

Ooh and male dolphins masturbate, apparently, using live eels.

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 19/08/2019 12:57

As long is the pissed off woman was shipwrecked and drew lots before ripping her dinner's head off human cannibalism for pissed off women is already normalised.

TinselAngel · 19/08/2019 12:58

Don't sea otters shag penguins to death or something?

Michelleoftheresistance · 19/08/2019 13:00

But I'm struggling to accept my feminist duty to shag penguins.

Biting heads off... yes, possibly at certain times of the month. That isn't out of the question.

TinselAngel · 19/08/2019 13:03

It might be baby seals they shag to death Michelle, I'm vague on the details.

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 19/08/2019 13:05

Baby seals seems more likely. I'm not sure sea otters venture south of the equator.

I'm disturbed by masturbating dolphins. I prefer to think on them getting high off puffa fish than masturbating with moray eels.

TinselAngel · 19/08/2019 13:10

I'm not sure sea otters venture south of the equator.

Not even for a really attractive penguin?

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 19/08/2019 13:12

Maybe if the penguin identifies as a baby seal.

SheWhoMustBeSilent · 19/08/2019 14:09

[As a quick SIDE, In celebration of Joni Mitchell, for all her fans in this thread]

Transsexual women face erasure
nettie434 · 19/08/2019 14:34

Maybe if the penguin identifies as a baby seal.

Is this an example of the feather sealing?

(Sorry Blush)

2BthatUnnoticed · 19/08/2019 15:06

nettie Grin

birdsdestiny · 19/08/2019 16:28

I think dolphins are utter bastards if I remember correctly.

donquixotedelamancha · 19/08/2019 17:14

I think dolphins are utter bastards if I remember correctly.

Yes they are:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/a3386868-AIBU-to-be-livid-how-dolphins-are-portrayed-compared-to-how-they-are#81602083