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Transsexual women face erasure

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joannegosling2 · 16/08/2019 22:45

It's a fine state of affairs isn't it?

Please - before the administrators axe this post, at least hear me out.

August 2019 - Transsexual women (not the self ID-seeking transgender - I refer to those of us who surgically transition lock, stock and barrel under strict medical supervision but whose narratives have been appropriated by the TG activists and advertised as their own) now being clobbered by feminists, not only here but every where else on the internet too, whether it be on TGN or this new Spinster group I've heard about. I understand the voice of feminism on the latter has reached unseen heights of extremism.

In fact, if I may say, equally as extreme as the trans activists whom feminists have been resisting for quite some time now. But what a difference a week makes. It seems they are now mounting a full-on attack on their own allies - we transsexuals (who are no less
appalled by the behaviour of the transgenderists and feel equally threatened by them), suggesting we are exactly like those same people with no respect at all for women. AND IT IS CATCHING ON.

They insult us further by calling us men and insisting we submit to male pronouns and acknowledge the absurd assumption that we benefit from male privilege (whatever that is, I surely never realized there was any).

For the zillionth time WE are NOT the problem. This entire farce was started by the self ID demands of the TG crowd. It is true - and we recognise - that women are fighting for their rights as never before. But regrettably there are certain feminist agitators who now see this as a golden opportunity to rid the streets and social life of not only
cross-dressing men who seek to enter their spaces but transsexuals too. To this end they have petitioned MPs to scrap the Gender Recognition Act which affords some legal protection to us...which by happy coincidence (though for different reasons) is exactly what their enemies demand also.

So here the two opposing sides have found common ground, and the politicians, having had the wool pulled over their eyes by the TRAs using narratives stolen from us, are joyfully legislating to bring peace and harmony to our troubled society. Cross-dressers will have their self ID on condition they respect segregated spaces and women will be safe from men in their toilets. And we will all live happily ever after.

Not so for us transsexuals. Someone somewhere has decided that we must be the sacrificial lamb to enable this to happen. We must cease to exist as a group. And not existing together with self ID being in place means it will be deemed no longer appropriate to transition via surgical means. Consequently all such treatment, once tailored purely for he needs of transsexuals, will vanish forever.

I hear women repeat over and over that they were never consulted about 'old-school' transsexuals using their spaces like we have done for years. Since in all probability many of you here weren't even born when I had my operation some 30 years ago that would have been rather difficult. And besides I don't recall being consulted about these outrageous proposals to erase me and my compatriots from society. There are certain well-known individuals on social media claiming to be transsexual but who eagerly cow to feminist insistence that they be labelled men. If they are happy to be blokes, fine. But they
certainly do NOT speak for most of us. I will NOT degrade myself in that way just to please others - nor to seek validation.

Personally it matters little whether women accept me or not. They never did when I was trying my best to present myself in the male role either. That used to hurt me a lot. But now I've grown harder. If the feminists treat their allies worse than they do their enemies, then they do not deserve allies. Whilst still supporting women's concerns in general, transsexuals are also entitled to fight for their existence - especially in the face of so many seeking their total erasure.

I believe feminists have singled us out for one simple reason. Thanks to our years of serious and medicated transitioning (unlike the TG community) many of us pass so well women cannot tell should they brush by us in their toilets. (If you have they're most probably cross-dressers). This I feel is what irks them most as it makes it near impossible to keep us out. So the fewer transsexuals enabled to transition, the less will be in their spaces.

I refuse to pay atonement for the sins of transgender activists. I'm sorry but I just cannot accept that from now on we be barred from women's toilets and hospital wards. For I can tell you it will not stop there. Next it will be parks, libraries, shopping centres and schools -
indeed any place where there are children. Apartheid sound familiar?

So know this Mumsnetters. I shall go on using women's toilets as I've done for half my life now. Not because I'm some misogynistic, foul-mouthed lager-drinking bloke who seeks to undermine or abuse women as many feminists seem to relish believing these days, but to
quietly assert my right to exist; you see I do it in the context of the time when black people once sat at segregated lunch counters enduring terrible abuse and violence from bigots.

Feminists can so do their worst. We few transsexuals who are left have nothing to lose now.

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WrathoSWhlttIeKIop · 17/08/2019 17:01

They need to take their meds.

Captured.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 17/08/2019 17:02

Hang on a mo. I’ve just read an article in the guardian about a woman arrested in Germany for dressing to as a WPC and arresting people! What larks! Hang on - The Times elaborates - actually it was a male bodied person with a history of sexual offences!

Hang on, it’s The Guardian who is erasing trans people! Well I never.

WrathoSWhlttIeKIop · 17/08/2019 17:09

Fekko
Are they mentally ill?
Are they physically ill?
Have they had enough to eat?
Do they have the right to exist?

So many questions

TinselAngel · 17/08/2019 17:17

‘Why I 'married' an anime character’

Does that mean I can marry my long time crush, Kermit the Frog?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 17/08/2019 17:30

I suspect your have to fight Miss Piggy first, hiiiii-yaaaaaaaaa!

TinselAngel · 17/08/2019 17:32

I suspect your have to fight Miss Piggy first, hiiiii-yaaaaaaaaa!

True. Even though they split up she'll still be territorial.

SheWhoMustBeSilent · 17/08/2019 17:33

I would imagine they are hoping it will be seen as a hormone deficiency, hence why they constantly remind everyone they need to take their 'HRT' or 'T'.

Except that, men need to take other drugs to suppress their testosterone production if they have not had their testes removed, which most don't. So none of those men can claim "hormone deficiency" since their bodies are not created to produce oestrogen as the dominant hormone. [No male's body is created to produce oestrogen in sufficient quantity to be a female body.]

Beyond that, most males fail to suppress their testosterone sufficiently:

"75% of Transgender Women Fail to Suppress Testosterone"

www.medscape.com/viewarticle/893280?src=soc_fb_180302_mscpedt_news_mdscp_transgender&faf=1

terryleather · 17/08/2019 17:36

I was just reading an article ‘Why I 'married' an anime character’ on the BBC site.

I don't think I want to live in this world any more, I want to be where people have sense and are rational and don't eat filthy you-know-what for breakfast.

rosiepony · 17/08/2019 17:37

Are we now allowed to say TW are men without getting banned?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 17/08/2019 17:38

We’ll soon find out. I was put on the naughty step for less...

SheWhoMustBeSilent · 17/08/2019 17:38

Are we now allowed to say TW are men without getting banned?

There are ways to avoid using the term TW Smile

rosiepony · 17/08/2019 17:49

I see. I shall watch and learn.
I've been banned before and I can't even remember what I said.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 17/08/2019 18:04

I dissed the ‘bow.

Hamster00 · 17/08/2019 18:29

We’ll soon find out. I was put on the naughty step for less...

But transwomen / trans women / TW ARE men though.

S1naidSucks · 17/08/2019 18:32

Apologies Debbie. Thanks for clarifying.

SheWhoMustBeSilent · 17/08/2019 18:34

But transwomen / trans women / TW ARE men though.

As far as UK law is concerned, this is the fact!

Both the GRA 2004 and the Equality Act 2010 and UK case law affirms this fact.

So yes, such men who claim to be women are men, according to UK law, whether or not they have a GRC.

SheWhoMustBeSilent · 17/08/2019 18:36

Oops! And vice versa, of course.

Women who claim to be men are women, according to UK law, whether or not they have a GRC.

Hamster00 · 17/08/2019 18:39

I'm stating the fact as I am trans - and if I am censured by MN for saying so then clearly "I'm" not allowed to define myself accurately.

If I'm not censured then it begs the question why is women's speech being curtailed for saying so. If I'm allowed to.

SirVixofVixHall · 17/08/2019 18:41

There is no breakfast cereal that isn’t improved by a banana #radicalisedbymumsnet
I can’t eat Weetabix (coeliac) , but I have found an acceptable GF version. They stay crispy for far longer (to hold up the banana)..

SheWhoMustBeSilent · 17/08/2019 18:42

If I'm not censured then it begs the question why is women's speech being curtailed for saying so. If I'm allowed to.

Hence the flight of many women to Spinster .. which is the women-centric alternative to Twitter and similar social media sites.

SheWhoMustBeSilent · 17/08/2019 18:45

Having said that, Spinster is funded by its users and is not dependent on income for advertisers. Not yet, anyway.

Hamster00 · 17/08/2019 18:51

Hence the flight of many women to Spinster

It's fantastic that is up and running. I've no intention of signing up though, as I see it as a much needed haven of unmoderated free speech for women - I'd feel uncomfortable 'intruding' tbh.

ErrolTheDragon · 17/08/2019 19:14

But transwomen / trans women / TW ARE men though.

And Hamster is proof that some are gentlemen.

SheWhoMustBeSilent · 17/08/2019 19:16

I've no intention of signing up though, as I see it as a much needed haven of unmoderated free speech for women - I'd feel uncomfortable 'intruding' tbh.

It's an alternative to Twitter that is women-centric. Of course men can join. Maybe just hang back for a week or two so that the women who join can revel in a social media space where they are not censored to accommodate "transgenderist" ideology. Such freedom for women using social media is currently extremely rare. We can say what we need to say without fear.

Spinster is not just about "transgenderist" ideology I hasten to add. It is simply a social media space where no women is censored, so long as they adhere to the site's women-centric rules.

spinster.xyz/about

PencilsInSpace · 17/08/2019 19:16

If gender identity" ceases to be a "medical / psychiatric" issue there is no need for any health service to fund any treatment

Yes, this push for 'demedicalising' 'trans' raises a lot of questions.

There's a rather grim documentary here about Jane Fae's transition:

18:27 - Around 150 gender reassignment operations are performed a year. The number has tripled over the last ten years following a landmark ruling which recognised gender dysphoria as a legitimate illness.

Does anybody know which ruling this was? It would be interesting to read, if it's available. The documentary is 2011-12 so it would have been 2001-2ish.

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