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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Bunbury’s Public Service Announcement 3.1

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GirlDownUnder · 12/08/2019 13:44

The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

This is a continuation of the first Public Service Announcement thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3438714-Bunbury-s-Public-Service-Announcement-2

Thread 3 was deleted with this note from MNHQ; We're sure there will be a Bunbury 4 around soon, but we'd be grateful if we could draw a line under the issues raised in this thread if there's to be a new one.

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we’ve had several community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

Some helpful links can be found in the first posts on thread 2 (linked above) but in essence FermatsTheorem recommended “that in the absence of a block/hide poster button, I suggest the following strategy (given that you're talking to the lurkers).

Do not name check the sealion. Instead, respond to a depersonalised paraphrase:

"It is sometimes erroneously suggested that blah. Blah is wrong for the following reasons (short and pithy). If you need more information re. debunking blah, here's a link."

Then (this next step is important to combat derailment) go back up thread to the last useful contribution to the discussion, make sure you do name check that contributor, and pick up the discussion from that point.”

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littlbrowndog · 05/09/2019 07:52

They only like the right kind of women

Ones that shut up

littlbrowndog · 05/09/2019 07:53

Ones that obey and never question

BeMoreMagdalen · 05/09/2019 08:19

Our performative gender is basically being the species service industry, and we're supposed to be largely decorative.

Men who believe they have this gender and women who subscribe to that idea too, get very cross when we refuse to hold up their ideas and still be women. It's essential a whole lot of adult tantrums.

Datun · 05/09/2019 08:36

They must know. The ones who come on here and see women talking.
They must realise that not only do they not identify with women, they identify with them even less than many other men.

I couldn't deal with the self-deception.

BeMoreMagdalen · 05/09/2019 08:45

Yes, I think the bumping up of their fantasy of 'women' and the reality of actual women is what causes the particularly unhinged behaviour we see on here on the regular.

TheAlternativeTentacle · 05/09/2019 08:58

It must really really bug them when women actually do analysis on their behaviour and show it all fits the same pattern.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 05/09/2019 09:02

That’s why posts about AGP get obsessively reported I think

My warnings have all stemmed from posts speculating on the motivation of some males who like to comply with feminine stereotypes of appearance

LangCleg · 05/09/2019 09:15

It's just coercive control + lipstick. Really: nothing new to see at all.

BeMoreMagdalen · 05/09/2019 09:18

Well thank fuck that awful regret thread is gone. Can anyone read the deletion message? Is it a PBP GF reason, or are we being told off for piling on the poor wee mite?

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 05/09/2019 09:18

What was the deletion message on the the regret thread

Its just page not found

And i wrote an insightful clever post which i will obviously not be able to replicate and now I can’t post it..cos its lost forever...and you’ll just have to take my word about exactly how insightful and clever it was

2BthatUnnoticed · 05/09/2019 09:18

What happened to “regrets” - PBP?

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 05/09/2019 09:20

Regrets...ive had a few
But then again, too few to mention
I did what I had to do
And saw it through without exemption

Musical interlude while we find out whats going on

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 05/09/2019 09:21

He must have really struggled to get a word to rhyme with ‘mention’

Or do you think he had the ‘exemption ‘ word first

littlbrowndog · 05/09/2019 09:21

Aw rufus I feel your pain

I also wrote a very detailed insightful post which was fab

Lost for ever with yours

AccioWine · 05/09/2019 09:24

It was something along the lines of op not posting in good faith so they were going to take it down.

No mention of the socks' (imo) faith.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 05/09/2019 09:25

Its such a shame littl

I had quotes and footnotes and everything!

And a diagram

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 05/09/2019 09:26

Thanks accio

TinselAngel · 05/09/2019 09:32

That thread was fun!

Incidentally, it was a case in point regarding those who criticise troll hunting. I can't see that it was a bad thing to call out the troll in this instance as it prevents people replying in good faith when mods are otherwise engaged.

littlbrowndog · 05/09/2019 09:35

Me too rufus

I had actually made a YouTube vid with me singing on it. My kids were in the backing band. Now they have lost their only chance for reaching for the stars and giving 150%

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 05/09/2019 09:38

And actually AGP is a suitable subject for discussion on a feminism board

The conflation of enjoying sexual humiliation with ‘being a woman’ is most instructive about how women are seen by parts of society

However our monitors tend to lose their shit and go into reporting overdrive when the subject is raised, and for reasons that aren’t clear to me MNHQ tend to indulge them

BeMoreMagdalen · 05/09/2019 09:42

I agree Bernard. To be honest, I think the curtailing of the discussion of AGP on here, by fair means or foul, is identical to attempts to stop women being able to use our own biological terms for fear of offence.

If we cannot accurately and clearly describe the means of our oppression, we have no effective way of resisting and overthrowing the oppression.

Datun · 05/09/2019 09:51

The poster calling everyone cunts and putting feminists in quotes, but not woman, was probably the last straw.

And yes to AGP. Fortunately, more and more people are beginning to understand its prevalence.

The conflation of enjoying sexual humiliation with ‘being a woman’ is most instructive about how women are seen by parts of society

^ this particularly. Because objection to it flies directly in the face of we believe you. Which is vigorously used as leverage.

A well known TRA bandwagon jumped on the #MeToo narrative. It was unbelievably and obviously made up. And yet there was a distinct lack of motivation to say so, because it is so directly opposed to how you would treat actual women.

TinselAngel · 05/09/2019 09:51

Somebody could try and start another thread on it? I don't want to be banned. Sad

Datun · 05/09/2019 09:53

We'll have that telegraph chap's next episode to analyse soon.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 05/09/2019 10:01

I had actually made a YouTube vid with me singing on it. My kids were in the backing band. Now they have lost their only chance for reaching for the stars and giving 150%