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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Bunbury’s Public Service Announcement 3.1

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GirlDownUnder · 12/08/2019 13:44

The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

This is a continuation of the first Public Service Announcement thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3438714-Bunbury-s-Public-Service-Announcement-2

Thread 3 was deleted with this note from MNHQ; We're sure there will be a Bunbury 4 around soon, but we'd be grateful if we could draw a line under the issues raised in this thread if there's to be a new one.

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we’ve had several community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

Some helpful links can be found in the first posts on thread 2 (linked above) but in essence FermatsTheorem recommended “that in the absence of a block/hide poster button, I suggest the following strategy (given that you're talking to the lurkers).

Do not name check the sealion. Instead, respond to a depersonalised paraphrase:

"It is sometimes erroneously suggested that blah. Blah is wrong for the following reasons (short and pithy). If you need more information re. debunking blah, here's a link."

Then (this next step is important to combat derailment) go back up thread to the last useful contribution to the discussion, make sure you do name check that contributor, and pick up the discussion from that point.”

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Cascade220 · 04/09/2019 22:07

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TinselAngel · 04/09/2019 22:12

I suppose it makes it easier for MN to identify your socks if you put them all on one thread.

zebrasdontwearbras · 04/09/2019 22:21

God, I've not had a chance to post on here much the past two days - back to school general busy-ness - and it's all kicked off hasn't it!

I wonder if the number of vexatious post reports will reduce now a certain person has been banned Wink

2BthatUnnoticed · 04/09/2019 22:34

It causes me almost physical pain to say this, as I disagreed with that poster on almost everything.

However, I saw the OP in question and do not think MN should have banned them without giving two warnings first. Due process and all that.

I never reported their posts though, and I don’t think many others did. So I guess MN would have had no cause to give warnings.

Bespin I appreciated you supporting my proposal for separate rape crisis services (one for CW/TW, the other for the rest of us). I hope all goes well and wish you the best Smile

Datun · 04/09/2019 22:37

The thing is you can't goad on here, gloat about it on twitter and expect HQ to put up with it. Why should they?

I don't often report but I bet loads of people did. Because the posts were designed to poss people off. It's got to be vastly irritating, time consuming and tedious to have to investigate it each time. And it's deliberate!

Datun · 04/09/2019 22:38

piss people off!

TheAlternativeTentacle · 04/09/2019 22:38

However, I saw the OP in question and do not think MN should have banned them without giving two warnings first. Due process and all that.

I am not sure MN has recently 'warned' people before banning them. They just disappear.

ErrolTheDragon · 04/09/2019 22:42

That screenshot said 'no deletions or warnings around this'. Not that there hadn't been previous deletions or warnings. (Be)spin indeed?

Cascade220 · 04/09/2019 22:42

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Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 04/09/2019 22:44

They just disappear

Yeah, like the KGB..do, to people

I reckon this is what did it gloat about it on twitter

It wasnt big or clever and i also don’t think it deserves any warnings

2BthatUnnoticed · 04/09/2019 22:51

I didn’t realise the Twitter gloating was concurrent - I recall the fragrant lawyer was similarly banned after calling us MN “nutters” on Twitter (and fair enough too).

Tentacle yes that’s what I mean. I’d prefer it didn’t happen to anyone - not the posters I agree with or the ones I don’t.

Datun · 04/09/2019 22:59

Oh I don't think bespin does obvious 'nutter' gloating. But it's completely disingenuous to maintain a faux interest in the feminist board, when women are continually goaded by your posts.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 04/09/2019 23:02

h I don't think bespin does obvious 'nutter' gloating

No i agree, but it was the agreeing with joss and then coming up with some suspect threads with joss obviously on them that didnt help

zebrasdontwearbras · 04/09/2019 23:09

I don't often report people of posts - but I reported bespin the other day for posting on here, and colluding on twitter (and laughing) with Joss Prior's trolling of mumsnet. I gave them the twitter link

MNHQ don't like that - unsurprisingly, and I expect that is definitely included under the "not posting in good faith" category. So that video might be last straw. MNHQ usually give warnings - but if they think someone's genuinely here to be goady (like the MRAs of old) - they will just ban outright.

zebrasdontwearbras · 04/09/2019 23:10

*people or posts

Datun · 04/09/2019 23:13

The lesbian threads, the no such thing as ROGD threads, the Lisa vid thread. All designed to goad gender critical feminists. There is literally no other reason for those posts here.

TinselAngel · 04/09/2019 23:16

There is literally no other reason for those posts here.

Other than that certain types of people like to be humiliated.

BeMoreMagdalen · 04/09/2019 23:19

Well, the purpose was a very thin veneer of forced teaming "I'm just posting here as one of you" which might gave passed muster if you really weren't paying attention.

Like the MRAs of old who would be deleted because their goading was so transparent, it seems the new breed think that a thin veneer, like say, wearing nail polish and lipstick, will let them get away with it. I'm very pleased to see that's not the case, though I still can't be too pleased given how many women have been casualties of the cock eyed moderation.

Datun · 04/09/2019 23:29

Other than that certain types of people like to be humiliated.

True. But I was never under the impression that bespin craves humiliation. It seemed to me as though they had little idea how daft they made themself look.

GirlDownUnder · 04/09/2019 23:29

BeMoreMagdalen re casualties of the cock eyed moderation.

If you haven’t already seen it, this thread might be of interest - we are still waiting for a definitive answer from MN

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/3674784-Deleted-posts-Suspension-warnings-FWR?

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spinninghag · 05/09/2019 00:47

My question is why males seem to want to insert themselves into female-predominant discussions all the time?! These males are not interesting! Whatsoever!

There's something quite disturbing about biological males (no matter how they internally identify) monitoring women talking to each other so closely and disrupting conversations.

This is why this thread is so important as an erstwhile lurker. FWR gets targeted, and I might argue deliberately, very frequently.

Why do they seem to hate women talking to each other so much?

TruthOnTrial · 05/09/2019 01:36

You got a pissing one thigh?

DickKerrLadies · 05/09/2019 07:18

The special FWR talk guidelines apply to everyone. Equality, innit.

I can only assume Bespin had reached Bespin's 3 strikes. at least

littlbrowndog · 05/09/2019 07:41

Bespin gone !!

Aw I missed it
Gutted

Datun · 05/09/2019 07:48

There's something quite disturbing about biological males (no matter how they internally identify) monitoring women talking to each other so closely and disrupting conversations.

I agree. You have to wonder why they believe they have to 'identity as women' at the same time as fearing/disliking them so much. It's all kinds of fucked up.

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