Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

See all MNHQ comments on this thread

Shocking behaviour towards lesbians at Leeds 'pride' today

999 replies

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 06/08/2019 18:25

Thread 2

Previous thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3656142-Shocking-behaviour-towards-lesbians-at-Leeds-pride-today

OP posts:
Thread gallery
18
MsMcWibble · 07/08/2019 19:05

Just a thought and sorry if repeating.
Somebody upthread posted graphs for LGBT orgs and the money they spend - increasingly huge amounts on trans people and ever smaller amounts on lesbians.
I suppose the male 'lesbians' get some of the lesbian money now too, as well as the trans money. Win-win for male lesbians!
Definitions matter.

Earlywalker · 07/08/2019 19:06

My initial point about the protest was that both sides had a right to protest and a right to free speech.

Lesbians are and always should be welcome at pride but if you have an issue with one aspect of LGBT, and you make that clear at an LGBT event, it is naive to expect that to go unchallenged.

Wishihad · 07/08/2019 19:06

Now is anyone going to answermyquestion with actual fact as opposed to opinion?.

I answered it about an hour ago.

But you keep ignoring it.

RedDogsBeg · 07/08/2019 19:08

What, in your view, do the women here see as the right type of women Roses? As far as I am concerned there is only one type of woman an adult human female.

Wishihad · 07/08/2019 19:08

Lesbians are and always should be welcome at pride but if you have an issue with one aspect of LGBT, and you make that clear at an LGBT event, it is naive to expect that to go unchallenged.

It was just challenged.

TRAs tried to remove them
TRAs shouted insults, swore at them and lied about then being a hate group

They then tried to physically intimidate them.

All thos actions have been described as bullying by Rose's.

The above behaviour is challenging someone. Its bullying and intimidation to shut their mouths

JackyHolyoake · 07/08/2019 19:09

Oops! This is awkward for the original poster:

We'll fight for women.
Only the right type of woman though.

If anyone disagrees with what we say, we'll dismiss them as not knowing their own mind, bless 'em. It's not equality for all women at all. However much some pretend otherwise.

Key phrase: Only the right type of woman though.

UK law defines a woman as a female of any age.

In UK law it is clear that there is "only one right type of woman.

This could suggest that the original poster of that statement is not a UK citizen who is subject to UK law.

Datun · 07/08/2019 19:11

Lesbians are and always should be welcome at pride but if you have an issue with one aspect of LGBT, and you make that clear at an LGBT event, it is naive to expect that to go unchallenged.

The issue is that the first word in that paragraph has no meaning. And let's face it, gay men don't give a shit what lesbians do. Lesbians don't care, it's only straight men. You are advocating for straight men at pride! Over homosexuals.

You think we are 'naive' for being upset or angry that straight men are targeting lesbians???

You couldn't make this shit up.

Earlywalker · 07/08/2019 19:12

What’s to stop a boss now saying ‘I don’t discriminate against homosexual people, look all these people here are gay/lesbian’?

Why do trans people being accepted as lesbian change that? They are already protected as a characteristic of transsexual anyway.

I get that we fought hard for our rights etc, but if change isn’t taking away our rights and is only extending them to others, why is that our fight?

Obviously exclusions within the equality act apply as they rightly should. But with regards to lesbians being able to sleep with trans woman and identify as lesbians still? I don’t see how fighting against that helps anyone.

Cascade220 · 07/08/2019 19:12

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

RosesAndRaindrops · 07/08/2019 19:12

As far as I am concerned there is only one type of woman an adult human female

OK, that's fair enough, do you.
I'm on about other so called adult human females (biological kind) speaking for all other bio females and dismissing them as not knowing their own mind.
Happens repeatedly.
We fight for women.
But only some women.

Cascade220 · 07/08/2019 19:13

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

RosesAndRaindrops · 07/08/2019 19:13

Lesbians are and always should be welcome at pride but if you have an issue with one aspect of LGBT, and you make that clear at an LGBT event, it is naive to expect that to go unchallenged

Exactly

Earlywalker · 07/08/2019 19:16

You’re completely right datun, how you could change a very simple paragraph into something completely different is impressive. You couldn’t make this shit up.

I believe there’s a word for that.

Most of the people in that video were lesbians and gay men.

There were a lot of woman protesting against the lesbians. Why do you keep trying to re-write history and pretend it was 120 straight men only when the video has been posted for all to see and it’s clear that wasn’t the case?

It’s naive expecting a protest with signs and a megaphone to go unnoticed and unchallenged. The reactions may have gone OTT but it is a protest there was no psychical violence or threats of such and therefore I stand by my opinion that both sides had a right to freedom of protest and free speech.

2BthatUnnoticed · 07/08/2019 19:17

Got it. Lesbians can go, but just keep quiet about the double mastectomy and hysto. which you deeply regret. Although you know there may be teen girls in the crowd who, like you, think it’s transition or death. When it’s not.

For the eleventy billionth time. They were not protesting trans people (look at you beautiful trans people!) but the ideology which left them in menopause at 21.

Wishihad · 07/08/2019 19:17

But with regards to lesbians being able to sleep with trans woman and identify as lesbians still? I don’t see how fighting against that helps anyone.

How does fighting that the word lesbian, doesnt really matter, its definition doesnt matter helping anyone.

Roses you say exactly. Then complain that you came here, where its known to have lots of GC posters. Then claimed bullying, when they wont agree.

So why does it mean the protesters asked for it and you didnt?

Wishihad · 07/08/2019 19:18

It’s naive expecting a protest with signs and a megaphone to go unnoticed and unchallenged. The reactions may have gone OTT but it is aprotestthere was no psychical violence or threats of such and therefore I stand by my opinion thatbothsides had a right to freedom of protest and free speech.*

They got abuse before they even got the banners out never mind the mega phone.

2BthatUnnoticed · 07/08/2019 19:21

Early why are you so invested in male people getting to be called lesbians?

What’s it to you?

(For eg - I have a lesbian sister and this affects her - that makes it important to me).

RedDogsBeg · 07/08/2019 19:22

OK, that's fair enough, do you. What does this mean as a response?

How can you be a 'so called' adult human female? You either are or you aren't.

I fight for all women, adult human females. I won't and don't fight for men however they choose to identify.

The document you attached re the Equality Act was very interesting Early and I stand corrected, I could sue you.

Earlywalker · 07/08/2019 19:23

I don’t care that much who calls themselves lesbians because I don’t see who it’s harming.

As long as they are not forcing other lesbians to sleep with them or date them.

As long as the lesbians who do sleep with them are consenting adults.

As long as them being included as lesbians, doesn’t erode legal protections for other lesbians.

So far no one has been able to say it does, so i stand by it.

RosesAndRaindrops · 07/08/2019 19:24

Again - missing what I did say - nothing wrong with disagreeing.
It's personal shit and slurs.

Datun · 07/08/2019 19:24

You’re completely right datun, how you could change a very simple paragraph into something completely different is impressive. You couldn’t make this shit up.

It was your paragraph early, not mine! If you employ hyperbole, expect it to show you up.

Most of the people in that video were lesbians and gay men.

By which you could mean straight men, homosexual women, homosexual men or straight women. 🤣

There were a lot of woman protesting against the lesbians.

Which could equally mean straight men, gay men. Women.

Why do you keep trying to re-write history and pretend it was 120 straight men only when the video has been posted for all to see and it’s clear that wasn’t the case?

Why do you insist on using definitions with multiple meanings when it suits you. And then only one meaning when it suits you again!!!!

Michelleoftheresistance · 07/08/2019 19:24

No one needs to sleep with anyone they don’t want too. No one should be told they can’t sleep with anyone they want too.

Disingenuous.

Why are lesbians having to wear t shirts and hold up placards and face up to baying mobs about this stuff?

Exactly because they are being surrounded by aggressive pressure that a good lesbian provides sex to males who identify themselves as lesbians,

because they're being told their sexuality is a genital fetish and they should convert themselves to accepting hetero sex as a social duty putting aside their own enjoyment of sex to meet the needs of trans people,

because the word 'lesbian' is being replaced with 'queer' through social pressure from male born people, because the word 'lesbian' is taken to mean 'woman centred' which excludes men

because lesbian groups and lesbian dating is now full of male born people pressuring for sex and dominating what is called a woman only space

because people such as those on this thread are repeatedly telling them their language, their self definition, their boundaries should be put aside to prioritise the needs of men at their expense, including their legal rights and protections. Because nice.

As for the No one should be told they can’t sleep with anyone they want too - that's downright creepy. The 'anyone' gets a say too you know? And 'no' is something women are allowed to say to someone who wants to sleep with them. I know several prominent trans campaigners with the ear of government, Whittle for example, believes that women should not have this right.

So yes. Actually people SHOULD absolutely definitely be told they can't sleep with people who aren't attracted to them, have a sexual orientation that excludes them, or who plain say no. Sex isn't a right. Appropriating other people's identities and labels isn't a right either.

Datun · 07/08/2019 19:25

Still haven't answered my question, roses. What rights am I taking away from women?

JackyHolyoake · 07/08/2019 19:25

Why do trans people being accepted as lesbian change that? They are already protected as a characteristic of transsexual anyway.

The only transpeople who could possibly be accepted in UK as lesbian are those females who have such an extreme degree of lesphobia that they feel they have to express themselves as men or that they have been indoctrinated as young people by transgenderist ideology that lesbians are men.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page