Shocking behaviour towards lesbians at Leeds 'pride' today

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What you said is not there. Anywhere

Defining what a lesbian is, is radical now. Being a homosexual is being a protester now

FFS, THIS is what's not there.
On the links, or said by anyone on the threads. Nobody has said either of those are radical.

For women to be protesting this at pride suggests there is something happening. That there is a genuine threat.

And yet if there was a genuine threat don't you think the protests would have grown bigger than the tiny handful they've always been? You've all spent so long bigging yourselves up as the self-appointed saviours of lesbians that you can't accept that the overwhelming majority of lesbians don't believe the lies spread by transphobes, don't feel they need rescuing by you and stand in solidarity with the trans community rather than you lot.

Nobody has said either of those are radical

So what is radical here if not lesbian's define themselves as homosexual?

The article says lesbians are radical protesters.

You've all spent so long bigging yourselves up as the self-appointed saviours of lesbians that you can't accept that the overwhelming majority of lesbians don't believe the lies spread by transphobes, don't feel they need rescuing by you and stand in solidarity with the trans community rather than you lot.

Surely if this was a small issue that nobody apart from a few are worried about, then there'd be no reason to protest it?

Surely the best thing to do is let these "in the wrong" small group say what they have to say, as nobody will agree.

Right?

And yet if there was a genuine threat don't you think the protests would have grown bigger than the tiny handful they've always been

Yes tell that to the women that 'Karen White' assaulted in a female prison. Not a genuine threat...for fucks sake.

quick note agai to remind people you can like who you want. If you don't like trans people or want to sleep with them then that's totally fine no one and I mean no one is making you do that. Anyone who makes you sleep with them is wrong. Anyone who does include trans woman in there sexuality as woman is entitled to do so and still define themselves as a lesbian and no one as the right to tell them they are wrong.

The fact that great lengths have been gone to to shut people up is an indicator of something worth silencing.

Just on the earlier point, the woman are chanting:

‘We are homosexuals’

The opposers shout over them ‘bigoted homosexuals’ in the same tune.

It doesn’t appear to be an attack on sexuality but emphasis on the ‘bigoted’ part.

Plus you often seem proud of being ‘radical feminists’ by definition the social changes you want to see enacted are seen as ‘radical’ so what’s the issue with the saying?

Or do you want these woman to be seen only as lesbians?

I think portraying it as attack on lesbians is counter productive. The majority of the people protesting back appear to be woman and many are holding ‘CIS lesbian’ signs.

It is a difference in opinion on what constitutes a woman in terms of definition and sexual relationships as well as trans people and allies feeling their rights are under attack and feeling they must fight back (which I’m sure you all know only too well)

I think the biggest issue is telling others who they should sleep with and what they should believe, such as a very small number saying lesbians should sleep with trans woman. But I see it as equally as controlling for people to say that lesbians who do include transwoman in their dating pool, are not real lesbians or are ‘doing it wrong’

If only we could all just stop telling woman what they should or should not do, ey?

Pride feedback form

https://www.smartsurvey.co.uk/s/LeedsPride2019/

There's also one by the fetish group

Surely the best thing to do is let these "in the wrong" small group say what they have to say, as nobody will agree.

I totally agree with this, because people like posie who said she wanted trans woman dead the other day then get to talk and spout pure hate against people.

The article says lesbians are radical protesters

Yes, I know it does but that's not what I'm pointing out, are you missing the point on purpose?!
Why can some lesbians not be radical protesters? Does the fact that they're lesbians mean they can't ever take a radical stance or something?

Anyone who does include trans woman in there sexuality as woman is entitled to do so and still define themselves as a lesbian and no one as the right to tell them they are wrong.

Oops! UK law disagrees here ... the legal definition of a lesbian is:

Section 12 Explanatory Notes:

57.The definition is designed to replicate the effect of similar provisions in the Employment Equality (Sexual Orientation) Regulations 2003 and the Equality Act 2006.

Examples
A man who experiences sexual attraction towards both men and women is “bisexual” in terms of sexual orientation even if he has only had relationships with women.

A man and a woman who are both attracted only to people of the opposite sex from them share a sexual orientation.

A man who is attracted only to other men is a gay man. A woman who is attracted only to other women is a lesbian. So a gay man and a lesbian share a sexual orientation.

Nobody has said either of those are radical

The article says lesbians are radical protesters

Yes, I know it does but....

exellent a servey I'm sure it will be filled out by lots of people who never went to leeds pride as I appear to be one of the only people on this thread who was actually there lol

One big reason why fetish doesn't belong in pride is that it reduces pride to being simply about sex.

From what following the hashtags on twitter tell me, some of the fetish attendees weren't sure about attending based on media etc.

Their attendance appears to be then normalising it for them and everyone else which is where the red flags and safeguarding issues begin to creep in.

Surely the best thing to do is let these "in the wrong" small group say what they have to say, as nobody will agree.

I'm always happy for the same tiny handful of bigots to turn up and expose just how little support transphobes actually have. I'm also happy for people who are being shouted at to shout back.

Just a quick slow hand clap to the people who swarm reported the video of one of the protesters being assaulted at Pride on YouTube.

We mustn't have any evidence of TRA violence out there, eh? That'll completely ruin the "Radical Feminists are all violent meanies" narrative now, wouldn't it?

Thanks Jacky, I was just thinking 'surely they're bisexual' and glad the law agrees.

Anyone who does include trans woman in there sexuality as woman is entitled to do so and still define themselves as a lesbian and no one as the right to tell them they are wrong.

Except equality law, and every actual lesbian.

It is a difference in opinion on what constitutes a woman in terms of definition and sexual relationships

Not as far as UK law is concerned, which is factually explicit about the definition of a woman [opinion does not enter into it]:

Equality Act 2010 section 212

“woman” means a female of any age.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/212

If you don't like trans people or want to sleep with them then that's totally fine no one and I mean no one is making you do that. Anyone who makes you sleep with them is wrong. Anyone who does include trans woman in there sexuality as woman is entitled to do so and still define themselves as a lesbian and no one as the right to tell them they are wrong.

Bespin, do you think that the rapist Karen White was a man raping women, or a just woman sexually assaulting them with their lady dick?

Yes, I know it does but....

Way to chop off the rest of my sentence to miss the point yet AGAIN.

Way to chop off the rest of my sentence to miss the point yet AGAIN.

I haven't missed your point, you went from denying it happened to asking why it's bad.

or something.