Shocking behaviour towards lesbians at Leeds 'pride' today

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Previous thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3656142-Shocking-behaviour-towards-lesbians-at-Leeds-pride-today

I didn’t see any men tell lesbians they can’t have sexual boundaries

Lol. Denial now. I'm going to have to graduate from desperate to embarrassing.

I just had a chilling realisation.

A former TM related how older males in her group would sometimes pressure younger females for sex “or I’ll tell all your friends you’re a T**F!” (Social death, apparently)

That threat, if ever used, will carry more weight now for any lesbians in the crowd. They have seen what happens to T**Fs, how hated they are.

They didn’t say they were an eyewitness. None the less they changed their story. One minute they were blocking banners, the next they hadn’t even unpacked banners hmm

Exactly which is it then

May I refer to the post from CharleyParley on page 6

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3658525-Shocking-behaviour-towards-lesbians-at-Leeds-pride-today?pg=6

Nobody's told us to shut up?
Really, must have imagined debate is ended, The End! post then.
Er, no.

But it’s pointless to engage in the whole ‘he said, she said’ crap, there’s arseholes on both sides.

So why are you doing it? I don't care what individual people who identify as trans say or do. I care about the legislation, laws and language.

Although you have to accept that your dating pool is restricted to the pool of people who are willing to date you, and that some people will reject you because you are the wrong sex.

How about if I identify as dating you?

(As I was typing that, I thought - JFC, they'll be on that one soon as well.)

Anyway you cut it up, 120 men screaming at lesbians for excluding men from their dating pool is a dreadful look for Pride. Little wonder the damage limitation is getting desperate.

This

Males claiming to be lesbians will always be a bad 80s joke.

To treat a bunch of actual lesbians that way is disgusting however you try and twist it or dress it up. That it happened at pride ffs!

Extremists are just that, extremists

Do you think surrounding 13 women and intimidating them and abusing them for asserting same sex attraction is extremism, Rose?

Simple question: you just need a yes or a no.

People are making very deliberate attempts to pick and choose which bits they ignore and which bits they respond too so there’s no point discussing.

You’ll take one thing I say, and ignore all the reasons I give for saying it. And then demand I answer your questions on it.

And it goes round and round and round

Embarrassing

A former TM related how older males in her group would sometimes pressure younger females for sex “or I’ll tell all your friends you’re a TF!” (Social death, apparently)

That threat, if ever used, will carry more weight now for any lesbians in the crowd. They have seen what happens to TFs, how hated they are.

And maybe that was what that awful public display of male dominated behaviour in Leeds was intended to reinforce?

It seems you think it's only coming one way though.

(This refers to a comment about genderist extremism, so the other way would be gender critical extremism.)

Okay, this one you can use lots of words for.

In detail, please explain what is extreme about the status quo - that a lesbian is a female homosexual. The status quo being the current law of the land, which recognises sexual orientation, not genderual orientation? Explain to me how a position representing the status quo and the current law of the land is extreme.

How about if I identify as dating you?

I think that is called stalking, but I think it's also taken more seriously if the victim is male.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/12/stalking-men-rejection-romantic-sitcoms-films-creepy-women-boundaries

I think that is called stalking, but I think it's also taken more seriously if the victim is male.

LOL. You win. Good game!

jacky this isn’t the first time you’ve tried to shut down all discussion with ‘the end’ type of stuff. Leave if you’re finished, you don’t get to tell the other woman here that they can no longer participate.

I didn't tell other women they could not participate .. I said there is nothing more that needs to be said: "the debate is ended from hereon".

Or, to be very, very specific for anyone with comprehension difficulty:

" Put it this way, early, if men did not need the validation and were not interested in pressuring lesbians for sex, they wouldn't give a monkeys that lesbians are maintaining their sexual boundaries.

This just about nails it.

The debate is ended from hereon. "

And for the third time - I was wrong about the marching “map” who was in Berlin, not Leeds as I thought.

It was a mistake, and I’m sorry to all those offended. I’ve improved my safeguarding policies to avoid it happening again.

Roses early see? It wasn’t hard.

That’s all Stonewall needed to do about the kids in the Pup tent.

But they didn’t. Their silence is very telling. And concerning.

Beautifully selective quoting, EarlyWalker

Interesting datun I’ve been trying to work out how it worked, people saying ‘120 people crowded them just for wearing a T-short’ but it doesn’t really make sense. The video doesn’t show the lesbian woman at all or what they were doing/holding or even discuss it.

The summary someone posted said this-

Point 3 says - most of them men who try crowd them and block their banners.

Yet point 4 says - ‘They move in on the lesbian protesters BEFORE they had even started their protest. At this point their banners were still packed away’

So what was it? How are they blocking the banners if they hadn’t even got their banners out?

Hard to tell since the video doesn’t show it!

does show it. That's why I described what could be seen in it.

To be precise, at around 4 minutes, you can see the lesbians standing there (lesbian=homosexual woman t-shirt woman smoking, detrains lesbian t-shirt woman wearing a hoodie over her t-shirt leaning against the railing), a little bit behind them what looks like two long white canvas tubes (which I am assuming are their banners). You can hear members of TransPride trying to get them banned for being a hate group. And all the other stuff.

As for my description - please read more carefully. This is the quoted passage in full:

2. They state they are lesbians.

3. FYI, the group who stopped to shout at them was TransPride and apparently consisted of approximately 120 people, although in the video it looks like no more than 30 to 50 people at any one time, most of them men who try crowd them and block their banners.

4. They move in on the lesbian protesters BEFORE they had even started their protest. At this point their banners were still packed away, their megaphone was silent. However, one of the women wore a black T-shirt stating lesbian - female homosexual, another a purple t-shirt saying detrans lesbian and it is possible that members of TransPride recognised some of these women and/or took offence to their t-shirts.

Please note what I say:

"FYI" - this alerts you that what is coming is an interjection in the sequencing, inserted to provide additional information.

I then inform the reader which group decided to set upon the lesbians (TransPride, who started the protest against the lesbians by themselves, no other group) and I also inform the reader how many members this group had and then add how many seemed to be involved in protesting against the lesbians at any one time ie throughout the whole duration of the TransPride protest.

This is clearly a reference to the entire protest action against the lesbians, not to the sequence of events.

So to answer your question:

So what was it? How are they blocking the banners if they hadn’t even got their banners out?

The lesbians did not have their banners out when members of TransPride started to protest against their presence. During the TransPride protest against the lesbians - which spans both the time before and after the lesbians got their banners out - the video shows mostly men, who after the lesbians do get their banners out attempt to block them.

Any other questions, I am happy to answer them. But I would appreciate if you could read the whole text and not strategically ignore the parts that don't fit your narrative.

And sorry to everyone else for clogging the thread with repetitive stuff.

*Really, must have imagined debate is ended, The End! post then.

Certain things cant be debated though.

Such as biological males cant be lesbians
No matter how you talk about, it cant happen.

It's quite astonishing that a movement which can't define woman, lesbian, or sexual orientation managed to produce 120 men who could identify eight humans on the basis of all three.

Well this thread is very revealing isn't it?

Just wanted to remind people of Julia Serrano, beloved by the trans community, who has written extensively how unfair it is that lesbians won't have sex with Julia.

I wonder if Bespin and Early would like to condemn Julia for clearly suggesting that lesbians should have sex with men?

Roses care to answer why you, in a similar, position to the protestors feel you were bullied but they were not. They invited it.
You stopped posting for a while when I asked.

Then came back and ignored the questions.

It's quite astonishing that a movement which can't define woman, lesbian, or sexual orientation managed to produce 120 men who could identify eight humans on the basis of all three.

Again ... this nails it.

Nothing more needs to be said, I think.

I didn't tell other women they could not participate .. I said there is nothing more that needs to be said: "the debate is ended from hereon"

Oh give over lol.
You can pretend all you like, but it's constantly used as a tool to stop other women from talking if all other attempts to shut them up seem to have failed.

It's quite astonishing that a movement which can't define woman, lesbian, or sexual orientation managed to produce 120 men who could identify eight humans on the basis of all three.

Must be magic or something.

And for the third time - I was wrong about the marching “map” who was in Berlin, not Leeds as I thought

Not you, it's the one who was saying as fact there was a MAP float at Pride, that paedophiles were openly welcomed.
THIS is why I say do you have proof? because when asked, it's always a no or not doing your dirty work.
I'm not asking people to do my dirty work, just you can't just fling out stuff like that as fact with absolutely no evidence whatsoever and not expect somebody to question and just blindly accept, it's just inflammatory and inciting.