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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Isn't Helen Webberley still prevented from providing services in UK?

259 replies

LoveGrowsWhere · 06/08/2019 10:43

Because she's being quoted as an expert in this article.
inews.co.uk/news/puberty-blockers-transgender-rights-nhs-gender-clinic-uk-tavistock/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

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R0wantrees · 05/03/2020 00:48

Oh and thank you to whoever copied and pasted the meaning of gender dysphoria, I never knew what it was until you gave me your wonderful copied and pasted words of wisdom from the internet.

Silly me for trying to educate you on the inaccuracy of the British Press and internet. I mean it’s not like a trans person who uses Gender GP would have any more knowledge of this subject than the great elite who copy and paste things they see fit to try and prove themselves right, but refuse to acknowledge any actual facts given to them.

That was an important BMJ paper published last year by Professor Carl Heneghan (Head of Oxford's Evidence-Based Medicine & editor in chief of EBM BMJ)

The link to it is at the end. Its important research & reading.
Extracts quoted are opening & concluding paragraphs.

It found that,
"The current evidence base does not support informed decision making and safe practice in children."

Biscuit
Datun · 05/03/2020 00:58

I mean it’s not like a trans person who uses Gender GP would have any more knowledge of this subject than the great elite who copy and paste things they see fit to try and prove themselves right, but refuse to acknowledge any actual facts given to them.

Correct.

Except 'facts' obvs.

R0wantrees · 05/03/2020 01:14

thread of pesky facts matters of pubic record about Dr Helen Webberley, Dr Mike Webberley & their online business GenderGP:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3598778-Dr-Helen-and-Dr-Mike-Webberley-matters-of-public-record

BritneyPeedOnALadybug · 05/03/2020 01:18

Yes, me too. What do they call this kind of behaviour over on the Farms again? Oh yeah

‘Chimping out’

That’s racist, btw.

blubellsarebells · 05/03/2020 01:18

No my mind has not always aligned with my body, i was what was known in the 90s as a tomboy.
I remember my mum buying me a dress from a charity shop, where most of our clothes came from, and having a crying fit when she made me wear it.
Awful flowery flowing thing it was.
I didnt not want to wear it because i thought i was a boy, but because it didnt suit my personality or style and was wholly incompatible with who i was and the life i wanted to, and had always been allowed to live.
I can only guess it was a big party or a wedding or some such because i had never been made to wear anything so awful before.
I never had tantrums as a child but that day i did.
I was allowed to have short hair and sometimes i got stopped going into the ladies toilets on more than one occasion, which looking back seems very odd because even if people thought i was a boy at 10 or eleven years old im only 5 foot 1 now so must have been tiny then.
In my teens i suffered from an eating disorder. Into my early 20s, still rears its ugly head sometimes actually.
So no my mind did not match my body. At all.
Still doesnt really, i perceive myself to be much taller than i am.
I get shocked when i meet other small people and find out im the same size, very annoying and perception smashing when i have to ask a man to help me reach for something. I hate having to do that.
I know what a mismatch feels like.
The difference is nobody offered me diet pills or liposuction and said there there.
Good job really because i was already under 6 stone with no help from anyone.
No one is gonna offer me tall surgery either.
These girls are being failed and lied to. Humans cannot change sex.

StrangeLookingParasite · 05/03/2020 01:27

I am guessing you have always felt the same gender that matched your physical appearance

As wrong as all the other bullshit you've spouted. Oh, and I don't believe you're who you say you are, either.

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 05/03/2020 01:56

That’s racist, btw.

It is?

Goddamn I’m a Pollyanna, I thought it literally applied to chimps - famously angry animals: m.youtube.com/watch?v=SFgIszVt-ik

To clarify, I am personally using it to describe an anonymous person of unknown race who is behaving akin to an angry chimpanzee.

Datun · 05/03/2020 02:33

Is it racist?? Bloody hell I thought it was related to the narcissists 'monkey dance'?

www.google.com/amp/s/robertmgoldstein.com/2016/01/04/the-monkey-dance-of-the-narcissist/amp/

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 05/03/2020 02:44

That seems more logical Datun, considering the vast majority of the KF cows are white 🤗

BritneyPeedOnALadybug · 05/03/2020 03:00

To be fair I think it’s one of those terms that can be construed either way but it was posted quite casually so I thought I’d mention it in case people started to use it in real life!

Chimpout is a term used (often in 4chan) in order to refer to angry behavior by black men, Although the term has grown to signify any type of irrational violent behavior regardless of race or affiliation.

The word has gained popularity on the internet among white supremacist.

Origin
Earliest use of the word come from white supremacist sites such as chimpmania, Stormfront and chimpout.com

^^ That’s what I found. A YouTube search using the phrase brought up less than savoury results too Sad

EverardDigby · 05/03/2020 05:29

I assume it came from the book The Chimp Paradox www.amazon.co.uk/Chimp-Paradox-Management-Programme-Confidence/dp/009193558X though I can believe it's been used in a racist way by others.

TheBewildernessisWeetabix · 05/03/2020 05:52

Puberty blockers only stop the physical aspects of puberty taking hold such as breasts in girls, voice breaking in boys, facial and body hair in boys.

Brain and bone development is dramatically retarded by puberty blockers as well as other serious side effects.
www.lupronvictimshub.com/lawsuits.html

Such a relief to know that the Webberley suspension has been continued. Our children deserve better than to be treated as guinea pigs in a mad doctors lab.

Datun · 05/03/2020 06:27

To be fair I think it’s one of those terms that can be construed either way but it was posted quite casually so I thought I’d mention it in case people started to use it in real life!

KF often use words or expressions that I've never heard and have to piece together from context. But yes, I'd hesitate to repeat their colloquialisms elsewhere, given their offence meter doesn't exist.

But thanks for the heads up.

SunkissesBringBackLangCleg · 05/03/2020 06:56

Blimey that was some meltdown! They go from sickly-sweet, apparently polite and rational 'let me educate you' to 'you evil bints' within a few posts if anyone so much as dares quote the BMJ!

ScrimshawTheSecond · 05/03/2020 07:01

It's interesting how personal anecdote is seen as 'fact' , while articles from the BMJ are dismissed as 'something off the internet ' . Another side effect of this solipsism, I suppose - post-expert, post-modern, post-truth. Critical thinking should be taught in schools as a matter of urgency.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 05/03/2020 07:18

Im always happy to hear from people who might be able to offer a different perspective. I keep thinking that there must be something more to this than 'I feel like my body doesn't align with the arbitrary standards of dress and behaviour assigned to my sex'. But I'm yet to hear anyone make a convincing case. "Hard to explain ' doesn't amount to enough to base policy, law, health treatment and education On, really.

DickKerrLadies · 05/03/2020 07:23

Always with the name calling. Funny that.

DickKerrLadies · 05/03/2020 07:25

But noooo, it's women on FWR who are mean, nobody else.

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 05/03/2020 08:12

Just caught up...that went from 0 to 60 really quickly!

popehilarious · 05/03/2020 09:03

Cw was asked what skirts had to do with being female. He replied about why they are feminine.
No explanation as to what being feminine has to do with being female. I'm amazed that ppl whose thoughts are apparently dominated by gender issues get confused on this very basic point.

Datun · 05/03/2020 09:07

I'm amazed that ppl whose thoughts are apparently dominated by gender issues get confused on this very basic point.

It seems many people spouting the same nonsense aren't used to hearing a woman say, er no.

popehilarious · 05/03/2020 09:12

I'm just wondering why some groups of people think it's ok to go to an internet forum, assume the trans/otherwise status of people there, insult them based purely on the incorrect assumption of said status, assert that trans children deserve to be treated by criminal, suspended doctors, refuse to answer reasonable questions about their assertions and call tedious misogynistic insults. Then will presumably go on ad nauseum about how those ppl were disgusting rude bigots with not so much as a glimmer of self awareness as to their own behaviour.

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 05/03/2020 09:21

And coming to defend Webberley, via bumping an old thread that contains very unflattering information, is spectacularly stupid.

Now it’s back on the front page.

Webberley’s business has hardly changed by the way. They still prescribe without actually meeting the patient. They claim prescriptions are signed by licesnses European doctors but the prescriptions are all filled by the online chemist Webberley has a business relationship with, so no one knows who is actually signing the things and no doctors are named on the website.
The only real difference that the suspension has made is that many GPs are now unwilling to enter into a ‘shared care’ agreement, so the NHS is not prescribing. Patients who already had a shared care agreement in place before the suspension are continuing to have their medications supplied by the NHS.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 05/03/2020 09:33

I'm totally appalled that the situation you describe is legal, DuLang. We have registered, qualified doctors and a GMC with oversight etc for very good reasons - to protect people from unscrupulous criminals who are willing to sell drugs to anyone who wants them.

Taxpayers are funding patients ordering drugs from overseas to circumvent the NHS' safeguarding effectively, is that right? Amazing.

OnlyTheTitOfTheLangBerg · 05/03/2020 10:50

I have a former friend whose teenage child is trans and receiving either PBs or possibly, now, CSH prescriptions from the Webberleys. When they were suspended/Helen W found to have acted illegally, this parent ranted about the GMC and anyone who had reported the Webberleys. Then a few days later posted that they were still going to be able to get the drugs because the Webberleys had set up in Spain.

How far down the rabbit hole do you have to be to NOT think "shit, these doctors are not legit, what might I be doing to my child?" when that sort of news breaks?